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Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: Steve Hassan's Hidden Agenda- NAY Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.christian.boston-church,alt.transcendentalmeditation,alt.religion.krishna,alt.religion.christian References: <4hqdng$62e@sundog.tiac.net> <4ihm7h$jj3@sundog.tiac.net> <4iipn2$bjh@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Randolph Cooper (rcooper) wrote: : Cults have no rights..Freedom of religion doesn't apply to cults..I : believe the country has a right to take away a freedom that's : abused. If a cult abuses the amendment, freedom of religion, the : governmnet has a right to consider it illegal..The only reason I : wouldn't do such is becuase these cults would claim persecution : and grow from this. : Randy Cooper Spoken like a true totalitarian. Now, WHO is going to determine whether YOUR religion is a cult? Fortunately, the First Amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion, and forbids Congress to take away this right. If you could get away with removing someone's rights, would it be okay then? What would you use as a criterion to determine the removal of religious liberty? What criminal offenses have the so-called cults committed to warrant removing their constitutional rights? What law do you live by that is higher than the law of the land? Groups cannot be held responsible for crimes, only individuals. If an individual commits a crime, the law deals with that individual, but innocent individuals who happen to be associated with that person by belonging to the same church or organization or by family relationship are not held guilty. To do otherwise would be to institute the law of the gulag. Is that what you want? One person commits a crime, so his whole family is executed? You are advocating lawlessness, where your prejudices hold more power than the law. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Freedom of Religion Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.christian.boston-church,alt.transcendentalmeditation,alt.religion.krishna,alt.religion.christian References: <4hqdng$62e@sundog.tiac.net> <4ihm7h$jj3@sundog.tiac.net> <4iipn2$bjh@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <314f19da.13765962@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4iipn2$bjh@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, Randolph Cooper wrote: : >Cults have no rights..Freedom of religion doesn't apply to cults..I : >believe the country has a right to take away a freedom that's : >abused. If a cult abuses the amendment, freedom of religion, the : >governmnet has a right to consider it illegal..The only reason I : >wouldn't do such is becuase these cults would claim persecution : >and grow from this. : I have to disagree. Cults do have the freedom of religion. But they do : not have the freedom to abuse. My standard is that you take religion : like any other business. Freedom of religion should mean only freedom of : belief, not freedom of action. Freedom of action should be ruled by the : normal laws. Well, I agree with Tilman on this, that members of religious groups should be held to the same laws as everyone else. In America, the First Amendment makes a strong statement in favor of free exercise of religion. This presumes that you do not break other laws in the process of practising your religion. For example, a religion that practised human sacrifice would not be allowed. : I consider it bad that you can take drugs for religious purposes, but : not for recreation. Hey Tilman, just say no. :-) : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: The Question of Divorce Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Jerzy Tarasiuk (jt@fuw.edu.pl) wrote: : >>>>> "DA" == Damian J Anderson writes: : DA> Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : DA> : own divorce record. But what did Moon do to repent for his three : DA> : previous marriages, and where did he get educated not to repeat his : DA> If one person loves another and the other does not respond with : DA> love, is the former guilty? If that were the case, then God would : DA> be guilty for man's sin, and that is false. If a man loves his wife : If you are comparing marriage to relation between man and God, : and divorce to sin, look what the Hole Scripture says about it. : The analogy of marriage is applied to relation between the choosed : nation - Israel and God. God asks "If a wife rejects her husband, : may she return to him later? If Israel rejected Me, can Israel : return to Me and be My choosed nation again?" (I'm quoting from : memory, so it isn't precise wording). The answer should be the : same for both questions. So, if a man wants any of his sin to be : forgiven, he must take his first wife back, not look for another. : God said it and no one has right to change it. I agree that God on the whole was eager to take back Israel after it sinned. However, when the ten northern tribes refused to turn away from their wickedness, God allowed them to be destroyed by the Assyrians, and they no longer had a share in Israel. Also, 70 years after the crucifuxion of Christ, the Jewish people were scattered by the Romans. Jesus himself said that the tenants of the vineyard which was Israel would be thrown out and the vineyard would be given to other tenants who could produce its fruit. So, God is indeed long suffering, but there comes a time when even God spits out those who refuse to repent, until they can change their mind at a later date. Israel lost the position of God's elect because they killed Jesus. To compare this with divorce, the prophet Hosea was instructed by God to marry an adulterous woman and then He used this relationship to describe His relationship to Israel, she whoring after other men, Israel whoring after other gods. Then He instructed Hosea to take her back. So, I agree that if an adulterous wife repents, her husband should take her back. But even God does not wait forever. He will leave such a person and let them go through suffering and trials until they realize that God's way is the best way. As for any particular situation of divorce as a result of abandonment or adultery, I think that each person must make a decision after heartfelt prayer, and then be prepared to take responsibility for that decision before his maker when his time comes. So, I am not in a position to pass judgement on another man's decision. A divorce causes harm, but when there is abandonment or adultery, harm has already been done. : Jerzy Tarasiuk Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: World Scripture - Prayer Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Richard Foy (rfoy@netcom.com) wrote: : In article , : Damian J. Anderson wrote: : > : >PRAYER : > : > Prayer lies at the core of worship in most religions. We have already : >given some representative prayers in the Invocation, pp. 53-56, which : >opens this anthology. The passages here discuss the efficacy of prayer : It is refreshing to see this interfaith discussion of prayer. Why thank you, Richard, you are a gentleman. : URL http://www.he.tdl.com/~hfanoe/cpyrgt_terms.html Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 Rick in Hong Kong wrote: > Greetings, > > 1. Happened to see some comments you made on "discipleship": > thoroughly appreciated the way you spun out the various > traditions one after the other. Thank you. > 2. Wondering if you could advise your sources: did you find > these on your own? No, it took 40 scholars 5 years to write the World Scripture. It is not my work. > 3. Is there a similar "string" on the "golden rule", I think > refered to in Christian terms, as "do unto others as you > would have them do unto you"? Yes, I will send it to you in a follow up message. > 4. Any sources, groups (news, gopher, etc.) you could refer > me to? Yes, you can subscribe to my World Scripture and unification texts mailing list, see the details below in my signature. Also, You can get the World Scripture on the Web at: http://www.unification.net/ws I am also forwarding this message to my friend Jesus Gonsalez who is on the same provider as you: Jesus Gonsalez > Thanks You're welcome. > Rick Sincerely, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: MOON IS VIOLENT!!! Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: <4j20ts$osc@linet06.li.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Merchant of Chaos (Not his real name, but a deceptive front) (peegee@newshost.li.net) wrote: : According to a recent post entitled "An Incident at the 6000 Couple : Blessing", posted by Damian Anderson (who *claims* to be pro-Moon, : though you wouldn't know it from this post), Sun Myung Moon likes : to "excercise" by kicking his followers in the shins and hips, : while the followers are not allowed to move. This is precisely : the kind of thing that critics of Moon have been trying to warn : the public about for years...Moon is *VIOLENT* and *DANGEROUS* and : he *ABUSES* his followers!!!! Hmmm. :-) Anyone who has ever sat in a room to listen to Rev. Moon speak knows that Rev. Moon sometimes raps people on the head with his knuckles or kicks them in the butt to make a point. He never hurts anyone. In fact, people love the attention. There is a big difference between a loving tap and a brutal kick intended to hurt. Incidentally, he will be speaking in Washington on April 16 in the Hilton Hotel. He will be giving an important new message, and I will post it as soon as it is available. He met with eight heads of state in his recent tour of South America and I heard observers tell that he even pinched a president's cheek to make a point. He will certainly not be forgotten, as presidential visitors are usually very afraid to break protocol. However, his mission is to save humanity from sin, and if has to kick a few butts, rap a few heads or pinch a president's cheek to get them to wake up and pay attention, I have no problem with it. : Hey, Bacus! Did you mention Moon's "excercise routine" during the : AFF conference, or did you use "Heavenly Deception" to deny that : such a routine exists? Anything to make a scandal, eh Peewee? Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Discipleship and self-discipline Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <4iecav$95n@news2.cais.com> <4ifabf$fli@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Jerzy Tarasiuk (jt@fuw.edu.pl) wrote: : >>>>> "D" == Damian J Anderson writes: : D> : this same church practices mind control and manipulation. : D> Teaching sexual abstinence is teaching people to control their : D> minds and their bodies. It is good to have self control. Indeed, : D> it is considered a virtue in the scriptures. : Hello, Damian : I don't know who is original poster of these words you quote here : but I see clearly you misunderstood them. The poster didn't write : about self control. He (or she) wrote about practice of controlling : others, which is essentially bad, especially when without agreement. I did not misunderstand the original words. However, I reject the idea that anyone can control my thoughts or anyone else's. If you say that someone can control your thoughts, then that is a convenient excuse to abdicate responsibility for your thoughts, words and actions. So, the premise of the original statement, that one person's mind can be controlled by another against their will, I reject that. Ultimately, a teacher can exercise discipline over a student only if the student chooses to be disciplined, and be a disciple. If the student rejects the discipline, then he leaves the class, or in some way throws off the teacher's authority. The purpose of discipline is ultimately to teach SELF-DISCIPLINE, and SELF-CONTROL, both of which I consider virtues. Many people have been unwilling to accept Rev. Moon's discipline and teaching. Those who have accepted it and learned from it are vastly better off for the experience. The greatest teacher is usually the most demanding. Rev. Moon expects the very best of the people he trains, and has produced great results as a consequence of his lifetime of teaching. I honor and respect Rev. Moon greatly as my teacher. You cannot earn that kind of respect by force or deception. He earned it because he has gone the way he teaches us to go, and so we can trust to follow his lead. You may think otherwise, but you have no first hand experience. All you have to go on is hearsay. I have worked with Rev. Moon for 19 years, frequently receiving teaching and training from him, as have many Unification Church members. Somehow, I think I am in a better position to know the man than you are. The only way to control others with their consent is through love. When you love someone, they become willing to do whatever you ask of them, if it is in their power. Maybe that is the dimension you are missing, and are unwilling to see. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Denying the fleshly desires - sleep Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: <4j20d4$osc@linet06.li.net> <31558A8E.7F7C@maroon.tc.umn.edu> <3155b6fb.15943848@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <31558A8E.7F7C@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, "Eric B. Richardson" : wrote: : >As for torture, deprivation of sleep and food would undoubtedly be : >considered torture; but then those (by Paul Grosswald's definition) evil : >sinister cult leaders, Moses and Jesus and Paul, often did such : >things...and asked them of their followers. : Post bible excerpts about sleep deprivation. And I am talking about : constant, regular sleep deprivation for the whole group, not just : staying awake for a party at nite. Well, how about Jesus' asking Peter, James and John to stay awake and pray with him in the Garden of Gethsemane? I am not sure sure that there are so many references in the Bible, but that is one that comes to mind. : The moon cult (and others too) would fall quickly apart without sleep : deprivation. Its no wonder that the most important an exit counsellor : will do is to get his patient to sleep, and to sleep a lot. : You just can't control your members without. Nonsense! People who live a life of discipline of their bodies choose it. It is not something that can be forced on people, since are free to leave. : Ordinary religion can do so. Ordinary religion persuades by the power of : the word, and does not need coercion or deception. The word indeed has the power to change people's lives, but control of their bodily desires, in particular, food, sleep and sexual desire, are the key to liberate the conscience and allow one to freely experience God. This is an integral part of our theology and practice. You cannot be free from sin without controlling your body. : >Paul tries to prove malevolence with such passages, but then ignores : >that such exercises to subjugate the body and teach humility have been : >part of nearly all religions for time immemorial. : > : >Paul tries to imply that this was done by force and unwillingly, but : >there was no force, anyone who didn't want to be there, could get up and : >walk out anytime. : Deception and coercion, not force. And you are free to leave anytime, : but and a bus would depart at three o'clock in the morning, but you : strongly urged them to stay and hear the important information that : would be discussed in the days to come. So they agree to stay on a : little longer. Most of the Unification seminars these days are held in an evening or a one day seminar in the city, and people are free to go at any time. You don't know what you are talking about. I love to go out for weekend retreats in the countryside, but they are few and far between. We do more in the summer when the weather is good. : Tell me which legitimate religions use constant sleep deprivation like : Moon does. The monastic traditions of various religions practice the denial of the desires of the body in order to free the spirit to experience the divine. : >Since you seem not to have caught the point, then would it be safe to : >assume that you chose your wife solely on the basis of looks? : Paul can chose his girl. You can't. A Unificationist is free to choose his spouse, but it is a less preferred option. It is his or her choice. Many people who took part in the 360,000 Blessing ceremony last year were already married, or chose their own spouse and went together to the Blessing. Those who wanted a matching requested it, but it is by no means required. : Tilman (who will have a 7 - 9 hour sleep as usual) There was a saying that I often heard as a kid from an elderly lady who was a friend of my family, regarding sleep: Nature requires five, Culture allows seven, Laziness nine, And wickedness eleven! I would consider myself very lazy if I slept 7 - 9 hours every night. I have much more important things to do than sleep. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 From damian@cais.cais.comMon Mar 25 13:10:46 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:10:19 -0500 From: "Damian J. Anderson" To: Unification Texts Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc, alt.religion.christian, alt.messianic Subject: A Question of Homosexuality On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, I. B. wrote: > what your probleme with homosexuality? > i'm not concern of whay your doing whit your wife in your bed, > so live your life and let gay people do it to. Homosexuality is a corruption of God's ideal for the family and is abhorrent to God. If everyone were to adopt the homosexual lifestyle, the human race would die out. God desires for a man and a woman to come together and produce a lineage where He can dwell with humanity. The homosexual relationship is sterile in that it cannot produce offspring. The place where human beings learn love is in the family. It is the origin of true love, life and lineage for human beings. The homosexual relationship is a creator of death and heartbreak. God's judgement will surely fall on people who insist on living like this. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: Discipleship and self-discipline Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian, alt.support.ex-cult References: <4iecav$95n@news2.cais.com> <4ifabf$fli@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4j512f$r9b@news2.cais.com> <3156E2AD.275@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Eric B. Richardson (richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote: : Damian J. Anderson wrote: : : > If you : > say that someone can control your thoughts, then that is a convenient : > excuse to abdicate responsibility for your thoughts, words and : > actions. So, the premise of the original statement, that one person's : > mind can be controlled by another against their will, I reject : > that. : Actually, the belief that someone else controls your thoughts is a : DSM-IV criteria of delusional thinking for the diagnosis of : schizophrenia. Ha ha! Then maybe alt.support-ex-cult should be changed to alt.schizoid! And this goes right along with the views on alt.mindcontrol about conspiracy theories that the CIA is planting computer chips in people's bodies to control their minds! Some people really do have some bizarre ideas. : ====================================================================== : # Eric B. Richardson, student, Univ of Minnesota Medical School # : # richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu # : ********************************************************************** : #"Giving money and power to government is like giving car keys and # : # whiskey to teenage boys." P.J. O'Rourke # : !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: A Question of Homosexuality On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, T. G. wrote: > DAMIAN, > > IF I UNDESTAND YOUR MESSAGE CORRECTLY, HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT IS NOT > "ALLOWED" IN THE UNIFICATION CHURCH (I'M NOT GAY BY THE WAY). > > T. G. It is strongly frowned upon. In fact, the Unification Church is very strict about sexual purity and the abstinence of all sex outside marriage. Then, once married, we can delight in the pure sexual love of man and woman, without shame or guilt from past mistakes. This is the ideal, and unfortunately, many people have made sexual mistakes either before or since joining the church. I hope this helps. ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: Hey...we picketed the WRONG CULT!!! Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <4io8fs$ji0@linet06.li.net> <3152f1f3.1880906@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4io8fs$ji0@linet06.li.net>, peegee@newshost.li.net (Merchant of : Chaos) wrote: : >Just days before the March 9 conference, : >attorneys for the Moonies began contacting Iona college, demanding that : >they be given "equal time." By the time the conference arrived, the : >college administrators had caved in, and two Moonies were allowed to sit : >on the panel. They were Moonie attoreny Andy Bacus, and Brian Sabourin, : >the leader of CARP (Collegiate Association for the Research of : >Principle.) : I'm looking forward to see a cult critical person on every Moonification : seminar in the world. You don't mind, Andy ? When I taught Divine Principle at Cambridge University in England in 1978 - 1980, frequently we had more hecklers than guests! I remember one event with 5 guests and close to 20 opponents. That was certainly exciting. We as a movement are used to opposition and we embrace it. Often those who opposed the church strongly in the beginning became the best members when they changed their minds. Remember Saul of Tarsus! :-) Then at least, if someone like you, Tilman, were to realize that what Rev. Moon is teaching has value, then you would certainly be under no illusions as to what we stand for, and what we teach. I don't mind scrutity one bit. In a sense, those who come without thinking and join without thinking do not become strong fighters for the cause, because they have not lived deeply examined lives. I welcome a feisty opponent who is honest. Maybe you need to hear the story of the Ehwa Women's University incident in Korea. Many people from the University came to investigate the Unification Church, and each group of investigators became members. Then they sent the top theologian of the University, and even she became a member. Then the university gave up and decided that anyone who kept on coming to the Unification Church would be expelled from the University. Many quit school rather than leave the church. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: Hey...we picketed the WRONG CULT!!! Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <4io8fs$ji0@linet06.li.net> <4iua3j$pfl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4j6ica$k2a@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Steven Hassan (shassan@tiac.net) wrote: : I'm waiting for the day that the Moon organization allows former members : of the cult to speak on the panel of their programs. HA! That will be : the day! : Steve Hassan M.Ed, LMHC I guess you burned your bridges Steve. If you want to have dialogue with the Unification Church, you may have to build some good will first. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Exit Counseling Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.christian.boston-church,alt.transcendentalmeditation,alt.religion.krishna,alt.religion.christian References: <4hqdng$62e@sundog.tiac.net> <4ihm7h$jj3@sundog.tiac.net> <4j4qvh$jts@news.internetmci.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: RICK & SARAH BAUER (rgbauer@umd5.umd.edu) wrote: : Cory, I don't think you understand what is involved in an exit counseling : situation. Noone is kidnapped. The definition of kidnapping is "to : seize and hold (a person) unlawfully, often for ransom." (Webster's II : New Riverside Dictionary) To seize or hold someone unlawfully is to : prevent, through force, that individual from leaving a particular place. : I can attest that kidnapping does not happen in exit counseling. : There is a difference in the terms exit counseling vs. deprogramming. A few questions: Are exit counseling sessions voluntary? Are they requested by the person receiving counseling? Is the person being counseled free to leave if they want to? Is persuasion used to attempt to change people's minds? Is this "mind control" according to your definition? : Paul was a man as you describe above. He believed that Christians were : better off in prision. But Christianity withstood his scruitiny and : destructive methods, as it has for thousands of years. Paul was : converted to and martyred for what he once fought against. Unificationism has and will likewise stand the test of time. : Why do cults run from scruitiny and the freedom of information? Why : do their leaders hide from examination? This is a broad generalization, and untrue too. The Unification Church has been investigated by almost every US government agency imaginable, and is still around to tell the tale. : Sarah Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 27 1996 Subject: Re: The Washington Times - Sun Myong Moon's moonie media - part 2 Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater References: <31585770.502@ix.netcom.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: WellWell (hiriser@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : From the Napa Sentinel, Harvey V. Martin and David Caul, March 17, 1992: : (Due the length of this article it will be posted in 3 parts.) : part 1 of 3 : Moon's most expensive political project was the creation of the : Washington Times. "Washington is the most important single city in : the world. If you can achieve influence, if you can achieve : visibility, if you can achieve a measure of respect in Washington, : then you fairly automatically are going to achieve these things in : the rest of the world. There is no better agency or instrument that I : know of for achieving power here or almost anywhere else than a : newspaper." These were the words of Rev. Moon. President Bush admits : the first thing he does in the morning is to read the Washington : Times. Ironically, Napa Sentinel Publisher Harry V. Martin received : an offer to become editor of a New York newspaper, News World, which : was to commence publishing on December 31, 1976. It was the : forerunner of the Washington Times. Martin was promised that if he : took over the editorship of the New York paper he would be named : editor of the Washington Times. After a thorough investigation of its : ownership and upon learning Rev. Moon was in charge, Martin declined : the job. : HR Well, this is old news. The Washington Post seems to rediscover annually that the Washington Times is owned by members of the Unification Church, mostly oriental ones. While the Post is losing market share in DC, the Times is gaining. The left cannot stop bleating about the Washington Times since it counters the monopoly of the leftist media in America. Though it is only one newspaper, it has impact far beyond its size, because it covers stories that the rest of the media will not touch. So you were honored with the stories of the House post office scandal, the Barnie "Male prostitute on the payroll" Frank scandal, and many others. In addition, the US congress was shamed into helping the Nicaraguan Contras in a critical time in their struggle against the marxist dictatorship of Daniel Ortega, and now there is a democratic government in Nicaragua. Ollie North and Rush Limbaugh quote the Washington Times daily, as do CNN and the BBC World Service. It is quoted widely because it is a source of news that nobody else provides. And in case you had not guessed, I am a member of the Unification Church and proud of it. For more information on the church, you may consult my home page which has information in 10 languages. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-301-306-7855 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com