Responses to Questions on
Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 5


Aug  2 1995

Subject: Janet Reno should be in Jail
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.misc
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Kevin W Davidson (soft-logik@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: Hi, B.

: Reality check. The Davidians could have walked out the door of their
: compound at any time with no bloodshed. But they didn't. They could
: have let the feds in when the original warrant was served; but they
: killed people instead. And if they had any sense at all, they wouldn't
: have kept their hunting rifles loaded, with children around.

The US government murdered the people at WACO and I think Janet
Reno ought to be in jail by now.  She gassed innocent people, in
an enclosed space, including children too young to wear a gas mask,
with a chemical that is banned for use against enemy soldiers in
the open air. She gassed them for SIX HOURS!!

There was no due process to verify that anyone in there was guilty
of any charges.  If we look at the situation of Rodney King, he
became a millionaire even though is was a brutal thug while the
Branch Davidians died.  Look at what happened to the police officer
Stacy Koon. He was tried twice over the same charges so that they
could get a conviction.  That is double jeopardy and illegal.  There
is clearly a DOUBLE STANDARD here.

: Kevin (soft-logik@cup.portal.com)

Blessings, ITPN,

Damian Anderson         +1-301-921-0082                        damian@unification.net
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Aug 2 1995 Subject: Re: Who are the two witnesses of Revelation - JWs Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: rubbur@delphi.com wrote: : : Anyone have any comments on Revelation 11th chapter : and the two witnesses. : : Just curious! : : Rubbur Yes, they are the True Parents, the Christ and his Bride who appear in the last days, the model for a man and a woman and the ones who will bring about the last judgment. They are now on the Earth. They will bring baout the unification of all religions and all peoples and bring peace to the world. They will establish a lineage and a family which will fill the world and God's Kingdom shall be established by them on the Earth, which will never end. Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 3 1995 Subject: Re: Janet Reno should be in Jail Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.misc Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.misc References: <3p0b3f$8c2@news1.shell> <3pgdlf$8ba@news.cais.com> <3voesa$402@pandora.sdsu.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Solitary Bird (bfunk@sundown.sdsu.edu) wrote: : In article <3vnqut$o4q@news.cais.com> : damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) writes: : > look at the situation of Rodney King, he : > became a millionaire even though is was a brutal thug while the : > Branch Davidians died. : Yes they died, for resisting arrest, like King did, AND for killing 4 : men (which King didn't do). But they died mostly because they trusted a : man who apparently was not up to carrieing that burden. I have no : problem with what David did, for himself! For any adults capable of : making that choice with him. Excuse me, but those officers were killed in self-defense. If you have an army of 100 or so armed federal agents coming to your house shooting, do you not have a right to defend yourself? This is PRECISELY why we have a second amendment to the constutution, to have an armed citizenry to protect against this form of flagrant governement abuse of power. : BUT his inability to responsibly care for his little charges and : instead take them needlessly into HIS battle was wrong. David will be : judged for that. For he kept those children and women (and some men I : believe) there to protect him from harm. A cowerdly act, and in the end : a deadly act! Even if he was not acting responsibly to protect those young lives, does that excuse what the government did? He was a suspect in a crime, they were innocent bystanders, trapped in the crossfire. Heads need to roll at ATF and FBI for this fiasco. Those children may well have been dead from 6 hours of gassing before the fire even started. For your information, CS gas is known to start fires, it is recommended not to be used in enclosed spaces, and it is banned for use in war by international treaty yet we use it on civilians. Hey, are we descending to the level of Saddam Hussein who gassed the Kurds among his own people? : brian Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 3 1995 On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Thitipon Satthaporn wrote: > Dear Damian, > > > Can you get Unification materials in Thai language? Is there a character > > set to represent you language electronically? I know that it has an > > unusual alphabet, like Sanskrit isn't it? > > Yes, I can get thai lang. materials if they are available. > Thai lang. document requires 8 bit system of UUENCODE for 7 bit system. This is great. As soon as you can, send me materials in Thai and I will make a Thai Home Page. Also, if you have a photo of yourself, please send me a GIF electronically or mail me a photo that I can scan. Then I will set you up a personal Home Page so that people can know you and contact you as the author of the page. I am doing the same with Koji Murata with Japanese texts. > > There are many second generation people going to Blessing '95. Most of > > the older members are already blessed. It has been very hard for us in > > America to get new members to go to the Blessing, but we keep trying. > > I will join the blessing too. :) Hmm... I wonder why it is hard > to get new member in US ?. I think True Parent and UC are very famous in > US, ain't they ?. Yes, True Parents are very famous in the USA but America has forgotten God. > The hardest things for Thai and Philipines members is economic problem. > We keep trying also .. :) In America, people are so wealthy that they do not have any idea of the poverty of the rest of the world. Even the so called poor people have color TVs and have enough to eat, hot running water and air conditioning. Where I live, the AVERAGE household income is $66,000 per year. That was a few years ago. We can at least use our wealth to serve the world, but it is so very hard to get people to listen to a message about God. Oh well, Jesus was right when he said "The last shall be first, and the first shall be last." However, I must say that it is on the basis of the victory in America with WFWP that Father was able to go to South America. Representatives of both the political world (George Bush, William Bennett, Barbara Walters) and the religious world (Jerry Falwell, and others) united with True Parents through participating in the WFWP conferences, and as a result, the providence could go to the next level, to the North and South American continent level, so Father went to South America. There, he was VERY warmly received by the political leaders in a triumphant 16 country tour in June and July, 1995. But in terms of getting people to the Blessing, it has been very much an uphill struggle. > ITPN, > Pon.. Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 4 1995 To: jecorren@carpa.ciagri.usp.br (Jose E. Corrente) Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium,alt.japanese.text,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.brazil Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 In article <3vt62t$bh3@bee.uspnet.usp.br> Jose E. Corrente (jecorren@carpa.ciagri.usp.br) wrote: : Damian J. Anderson (damian@cais3.cais.com) wrote: : : WHAT'S NEW ON THE UNIFICATION HOME PAGE? : : RESOURCES OF THE WORLDWIDE UNIFICATION COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET : : Unification teachings are available on the Internet in the following : : languages: : : COMING SOON ON THE UNIFICATION HOME PAGE : : I expect to add the following languages shortly as I find : : collaborators speaking those languages: : : * Portugese (Português), Boa noite, Jose, Vejo que você via meu anúncio sobre talk.religion.misc. Você necessita alguma coisa? Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 8 1995 Subject: Re: Rév. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 3 - L'histoire de la Providence Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <3vnr1k$o4q@news.cais.com> <3vsvvf$481@clic2.qbc.clic.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: George Petryk (geo@clic1.qbc.clic.net) wrote: : : Bla, bla, bla... : : >En ce moment, le monde communiste et le monde libre s'affrontent. Quel : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : En toute sincerite, si la fin du communisme=ere de paix et d'abondance, vous : vivez sur une autre planete. : Pensez a ceci: Bosnie, Rwanda, famine (Soudan, Ethiopie), pauvrete qui : s'accentue chez nous, chomage, dette nationale tres lourde, drogue et : violence (a la hausse, ex.: saviez-vous qu'au Canada, 1 femme sur 4 sera : victime d'acte de violence de la part de son conjoint au cour de sa vie ?), : pornographie de plus en plus deviante, etc..., etc.... : Je crois que durant la guerre froide et surtout l'ere Reagan : (communiste=empire du mal), on a porte notre regard sur le communisme au : point tel qu'aujourd'hui, apres la chute de ce systeme, on se retrouve : devant la desolation du monde capitaliste. En plus de la corrosion : systematique des valeurs traditionelles occidentales, il y a l'inhabilete : a les promouvoir soit chez nous, soit ailleurs. Les exemples ne manquent : pas. Le monde occidentale a oublié Dieu et tombe dans l'abîme. Il va atteindre la prospérité et la paix seulement en suivant les commandments de Dieu et pas par suivant la foi du monde matérialiste, la confiance en le pouvoir, le sexe, le confort, l'argent. Il n'y a aucun espoir pour le monde de l'Ouest sans Dieu. Les anciens communistes savent que le sytème de communisme ne marche pas, mais l'Ouest n'a pas encore compris que l'idéologie seculaire du fin du vingtième siecle et sans espoir aussi. : : >est le côté le plus agressif et destructeur ? Quel côté prend : : >l'initiative ? D'après la loi universelle du Principe, les communistes : : >vont-ils être les ultimes vainqueurs ? : : >Jusqu'où Satan peut-il aller ? C'est d'un grand intérêt pour nous. Les : : >communistes ne peuvent pas prendre plus des deux tiers du monde. : : Bla, bla, bla... Les commuistes étaient dans la position de ennemi de Dieu, mais plusiers ont répenti et suivent aujourd'hui une autre direction. "Le dernier sera le premier, et le premier sera le dernier." L'ancien Pres. Mikhail Gorbachev et le défunt Pres. Kim Il Sung ont tous les deux rencontré Rév. Moon et accepté ses idxe9es. Les dirigeants du monde reconnaissent ses contributions à la paix et à élever le niveua moral et spirituel de la jeunesse. Pres. George Bush a récemment parlé devant un réunion organizé par Rév. Moon et continue de le faire. : : Eh Damian, il est en retard sur l'actualite ton gourou. Le mur est tombe en : : 1989. C'est completement depasse le mythe du mechant communiste satanique qui : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Voir ma reponse precedente. : : veut prendre le controle de l'univers. : : Mais comment un cerveau humain peut-il se degrader au point d'adherer a tout : : ce delire mooniste??? Avez-vous lu le reste? Incroyable!!! Un tissu de delire : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Non, c'etait trop long. :) Tu me moque, mon frère, mais le Jour de Jugement approche. : : ------------------------- : : Gilles Bourbonnais : : bourbong@vm1.ulaval.ca : : Quebec : : ------------------------- : -- : George Petryk : geo@qbc.clic.net Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, and Norwegian. See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 8 1995 Subject: Unification Home Page in Japanese Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.religion.misc,alt.japanese.text,fj.soc.culture Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Summary: Keywords: Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Unification Church, Japanese I am pleased to announce the creation of a Unification Church Home Page in Japanese. It has information on the upcoming Blessing '95, the wedding of 360,000 couples scheduled to be held in Seoul, Korea on August 5, 1995 at 10:00 am local time. It also has information on Unification teachings and will continue to grow over the next few days and months. It is written in Japanese JIS encoding. The URL is: http://www.unification.net/japanese/ --- $BE}0L1?F0%[! $B#1#9#9#5G/#87N#3F|2~D{(J IMAGE OF UNIFICATION SYMBOL / IMAGE OF REV. AND MRS MOON $B?^!J:8>E!K$OE}0L652Q$N%7%S%\%K$G$9!#E!K$O%`%S!&%=%S%_%G%S!JJ8A/L@!K(J $BKR;U$H%O%S!&%O%/%8%C!J4ZDA;R!K=W;K$G$9!#(J $B?7@_$5$L$?$3$N%Z! $B$3$L$O%`%S!&%=%S%_%G%SKR;U$H:J$N%O%S!&%O%/%8%C=W;K$N@836!"65$(!"@.2L$K$D$$$F (J $B$N>R2P$G$9!#$4IW:J$O#1#9#5#4G/#57N#1F|$K4Z9Q$N%=%&%K$GAON)$5$L$?@$3&4PFD65E} (J $B0L?@NN6(2Q(J(HSA-UWC)$B$NAO@_$BE}0L652Q$N655A(J (UNIFICATION TEACHINGS) $BKh=5F|MKF|!"Kh7n$NBh0lF|!"3FL>@a$N8aA0#5;~$"$k$$$O#7;~$NNiGREy$K(J $B2HDmLA@@(J $B$,>'$($i$l$^$9!#$3$l$O#1#9#9#4G/#57n#1(J $BF|!"652q$NAON)#4#0$BE}0l1?F0$N9q:]E*3hF0(J (International Activities of the Unification Community) $B$-$?$k#87n#2#4!"#2#5F|!"4Z9q$N%=%&%k$G9T$o$l$k#3#6K|AH$N(J $B9q:]9gF17k:' $B$K$D$$$F$N$40FFb$G(J $B$9!#(J $B"(Cm0U(J (DISCLAIMER)$B!'$3$NE}0l1?F0%[!personal home page $B$r$4Mw$/$@$5$$!#(J $B$3$N%Z!$BB. $BE}0l1?F0%[!$B%"%/%;%9E}7W(J (Access statistics) --- Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, and Norwegian. See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 10 1995 Subject: Re: The International Unification Church Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <3vv4mv$4sv@news.cais.com> <401fas$142e@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <4045le$d2e@news.cais.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: De Repentigny Yves (derepeny@ERE.UMontreal.CA) wrote: : damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) writes: : >Peter Vorobieff (pv02@lehigh.edu) wrote: : >: In article <3vv4mv$4sv@news.cais.com>, : >: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) wrote: : >: >There are several reasons for the popularity of the Unification : >: >Church in the former East Bloc: : >: > : >: > * The Unification Church has always been strongly against communism : >: > even when it was not popular to be so in the West. : >: [snip] : >: Moonies have NO popularity here. Go away, cultist. : >Clearly your mother never taught you any manners. : Neither did yours! Stop posting your propaganda on soc.culture groups and : stick to religion groups, for God's (sic) sake! : -- : Yves de Repentigny Do you not think that religion is not a legitimate part of culture? The cultures of the world are based on the major world's religions. You see the Western world based predominantly on Christinity. In particular, the culture of North America is founded on Protestantism, the culture of South America is founded on Catholicism, Northern Europe on Protestantism and Southern Europe on Catholicism, Asia on Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, in Japan Shintoism and Buddhism, Islam in the Middle East. It is very short sighted to say that religion is not important to culture. Indeed, I believe that it is the central and pivotal aspect of culture. And religious education looks like propaganda to the secularist, just as AIDS and pro-gay education looks like propaganda to the Christian. Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, and Norwegian. See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 15 1995 Subject: Re: MOON WALK...? Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <40gilp$6an@news.INbe.net> <40iq43$uf0@window.hookon.be> <40k9ek$c9p@news.INbe.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Chris ROSSEEL (cfgr@innet.be) wrote: : odmeyere@window.hookon.be (Oliver De Meyere) wrote: : >Misschien een mailtje naar de systeem-beheerders van de provider die de : >verzender gebruikt? Deze dan ook massaal ;) : Heb ik gedaan met volgend bericht: : FORMAL COMPLAINT AGAINST THE PROPAGANDA POSTED : FROM MR DAMIAN J. INTO THE SOC.CULTURE.BE NEWSGROUP. : THIS POSTED ARTICLES ARE PROPAGANDA DATED 1979!!!! : AND DEFINED AS SUCH BECAUSE NO DIALOG IS POSSIBLE ABOUT : THE CONTENTS OF THE ARTICLES. Dialogue is entirely possible, it is just that you have not chosen the path of dialogue, but that of demagoguery and attempting to shut me up. You will certainly fail in that attempt as I have other accounts to use even if you were to shut down my server. If you have something constructive to say about the content of my posts, say it. But if all you want to do is hurl insults and attempt to gag me, sorry, but the Internet is a haven of free speech. You will just have to take your totalitarian attitudes elsewhere. Besides, what consititutes propaganda as opposed to educational material? If you don't like the material, kill-file it. It is not hurting you. It seems like you just cannot stand that someone can think something different from you or from the secular hedonistic status quo and get away with it. Also, don't miss the BIG WEDDING. Rev. Sun Myung Moon will marry 360,000 couples in a ceremony held in Seoul, Korea on Friday, August 25, 1995 10:00 am local time. Participants will take part all over the world by satellite link. This is a wedding with three quarters of a million participants and the next one in 1998 will be 4 MILLION couples. Don't think that this is a tiny minority group any more. Rev. Moon has the moral authority that no other world leader has. : IF NOTHING IS DONE... WE WILL TRY TO SHUT DOWN ALL ACTIVITY : FROM YOUR SERVER BY ALL MEANS POSSIBLE. Go ahead! Make my day! : ON BEHALF OF ALL READERS OF SOC.CULTURE.BELGIUM : (NO REPLY IS NEEDED: JUST STOP THE PROPAGANDA!!!!) : En nu maar hopen dat het help...? : >Oliver : Chris Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 15 1995 Subject: Re: Rév. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 2 - Sachons Qui Nous Sommes Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <40eucn$qn1@news.cais.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Denis Beauregard (beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca) wrote: : In article <40eucn$qn1@news.cais.com> damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian : J. Anderson) writes: : > : > Sachons Qui Nous Sommes : > par Révérend Sun Myung Moon : > : > 30 Septembre, 1979 - Tarrytown, New-York : Avez-vous remarque que tous ces machins sont dates des annees 1970? : C'est dans les annees 1980 que Moon a probablement ete arrete parce : qu'il ne payait pas impots sur les millions qu'il empochait avec : sa religion de salon... Non, il est tres active ces jours-ci, et va faire un grande conference pour la paix mondiale en Coree ce mois avec 40 anciens chefs d'etat. Il va aussi faire un grande mariage de 360,000 couples, le 25 Aout. Il a recemment complet un voyage a l'Amerique Latine et a recontre 8 chefs d'etat. Il a achete des millions de hectares de terre en Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil et Uruguay. Il a recontre plusiers fois avec Mikhail Gorbachev, et meme Pres. Kim Il Sung de Coree de Nord avant de sa mort, l'annee dernier. J'ai des discours de Rev. Moon de 1995 et 1994, mais pas encore en francais. : Pour ceux qui ne sont pas habitues, la chaine a entrer dans la : kill file est: : /Damian J\. Anderson/aj Merci. Alors maintenant, si quelqu'un ne veut pas lire ce que j'ecris, il peut me mette dans son killfile. : Et si vous voulez vous plaindre, il faut ecrire a postmaster@cais.com. : Vous ne devez surtout pas vous plaindre de la religion Mooniste : (i.e. le contenu), mais uniquement de la pertinence de messages : religieux de propagande (c'est de la propagande car l'expediteur ne : repond jamais aux questions sur le contenu) dans un groupe non : approprie. Il n'y avait pas des questions sur le contenu de mes articles, seulement les insultes contre l'homme, Rev. Moon, et moi. Si vous avez des questions sur le contenu, disez les! Et il y a beaucoup plus d'informations sur la pensee et les activites de L'Eglise de Unification sur mon Home Page en 7 langues. J'en ai ecrit seulement trois. : Ce message represente uniquement l'opinion de son auteur et : n'engage en aucune facon son employeur. : Denis Beauregard Internet: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca : Genealogie quebecoise? : http://www.ireq.ca/personnel/beaurega/geneal/index.html Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 17 1995 Subject: Re: Blood on the Moon Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <199508150739.JAA15800@suncrie.paris.ensam.fr> <40qc5a$9fd@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <40qfaq$3n3j@moka.ccr.jussieu.fr> <40qtfa$68b@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: David Deharbe (deharbe+@GS144.SP.CS.CMU.EDU) wrote: : Et si, pour nous informer, quelqu'un : decide de rendre public des messages prives qui sont explicitement : menacant, je suis pour. Je n'ai jamais révélé des messages privés SAUF ceux qui sont explicitement menaçants, injurieux ou instultants. Et je ne me sent obligxe9e de maintenir la confiance de ceux qui aiment insulter, déprécier, et utilizer la langage du ruisseau. : David. : -- : Personal home page: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~deharbe Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 17 1995 Subject: Re: MOON WALK...? Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium,alt.current-events.net-abuse Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium,alt.current-events.net-abuse References: <40gilp$6an@news.INbe.net> <40iq43$uf0@window.hookon.be> <40k9ek$c9p@news.INbe.net> <40pado$4a3@news.cais.com> <40t3o3$edp@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : Jeeze, the moonie jerk is now playing the victim. One cannot help but see : his attempt as somewhat disingenuous. Nobody is trying to shut him up. : Merely to redirect him to places where his talk belongs. Merely trying to : remind him that there are rules of civilized behavior that he is : refusing to recognize. I posted articles of a religious nature in french in culture newsgroups of Francophone countries. I don't see how that is off topic at all. If you are objecting to the content, that is too bad. : THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS MR DAMIAN'S RIGHT : TO INVADE MY DISKS IF I OBJECT TO THIS. It's not an issue of free speech : at all. I am not invading your disk any more than any other post on this newsgroup. What are you complaining about? Is there a size limit on how much one person can post? What "law" am I supposed to have broken? : We should be sending him (and his roque service provider, cais.com) bills : for space that he has invaded without authorization on people's disk. What nonsense! : The rationale being that any site that receives a given newsgroup has : accepted to receive postings to that newsgroup *provided that they fit : within the charter of the newsgroup*. : The moonie jerk's posting may belong on some of the religion and : cults newsgroups, but they are *unarguably* off charter on the soc.culture : such as soc.culture.belgium newsgroups. Tell me in what way discussion of religion is off topic in a culture newsgroup. You have yet to address even once the content of my posts. You merely attack the messenger. : Thus, I think we have grounds to go against his service provider, : who so far has been playing deaf to everybody's complaint. : Anybody cares to join a class action suit against cais.com and the moonies? Ha! Ha! A class action lawsuit! What would the charge be? Preaching without a license? :-) : Luc B. : Luc Bauwens bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca : The University of Calgary, Department of Mechanical Engineering : Phone: (403) 220 5792 Fax: (403) 282 8406 : http://www.ucalgary.ca/~bauwens/ Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 19 1995 Subject: Re: Moonies based at cais.com taking over French speaking newsgroups Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium,alt.current-events.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium,alt.current-events.net-abuse,news.admin.net-abuse.misc References: <40gilp$6an@news.INbe.net> <40t3o3$edp@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca> <41127h$7ja@zippy.cais.net> <412c0j$1a20@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca> <412o9i$2721@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Luc Bauwens (bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : On cais.com unwillingness to do anything about the moonies whom they are : harboring and are in the process of posting the French translation of : the writings of moon: : I have reason to believe the Moonies are threatening cais.com with : a lawsuit if their guy were yanked from their system. : And that cais.com is balking at the expenses. This is all a fantasy on your part. There is no factual basis in this whatsoever. Where is your evidence? : And they are serving us platitudes about freedom of speech as an excuse. For you, maybe freedom of speech is merely a platitide, but in the USA, we take it very seriously. : Meanwhile, the moonies seem to have stolen anywhere between 30-50% of the : bandwidth on some of these newsgroups :-(. Nobody has stolen anything from you. What poppycock! An article which appears in one newsgroup takes up no more bandwidth if cross-posted in another group, providing it is the same copy. The articles appeared in the following groups. talk.religion.misc alt.religion.christian soc.culture.french soc.culture.quebec soc.culture.belgium Would a discussion on religion in French be out of place in any one of those newgroups? If you want discussion, I will give you discussion. And WHO are these "MOONIES" that you are talking about. Is there a whole army of us? : With probably another 10-20% of the bandwidth discussing the issue. Well, maybe it is a good thing to discuss issues related to religion. Where are the newsgroups for discussion of religion in French? The soc.culture groups are the closest thing that I could find. Talk.religion.misc is almost exclusively English speaking. And I will gladly take this discussion into French, if that makes you feel better. : Luc : -- : Luc Bauwens bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca : The University of Calgary, Department of Mechanical Engineering : Phone: (403) 220 5792 Fax: (403) 282 8406 : http://www.ucalgary.ca/~bauwens/ -- Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 19 1995 Subject: Re: World Scripture - Hypocrisy Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.messianic Followup-To: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.messianic References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Jerzy Tarasiuk (jt@fuw.edu.pl) wrote: : >>>>> "D" == Damian J Anderson writes: : D> It certainly is a turn off when preachers do not practice what they preach. : D> But Rev. Sun Myung Moon is a very hard working man who lives an : D> exemplary life. Having watched him for 18 years, I can say : Seems Moon was sentenced for 18 months in prison because he deceived : tax office and didn't pay taxes? And he preaches theft is wrong... No, he was sentenced to 18 months in a US prison for doing exactly what the leaders of many other faiths do, such as the Roman Catholic Church. That is, he kept church assets in his own name. The RC Church amd many other religious organizations filed amicus briefs in Rev. Moon's favor, because they saw the US government attack on him as a potential threat to them too. The money in question was not used for personal use but for the ministry of the church and yet the government claimed that it was his and therefore he had to pay taxes on it. If this was the case, they could have sent him a bill and asked him to pay back taxes, penalties and interest. But they were not interest in justice but in blood. It is interesting to note that Presidents Bush and Clinton since then have at some time owed more money in taxes to the US Treasury than was in question with Rev. Moon, namely $12,000. And at a time when Rev. Moon brought BILLIONS of dollars into the USA to further his ministry, what possible motive could he have for avoiding a measly $12K? Was there ever any attempt to prosecute either of these Presidents? No, because owing back taxes is not usually even a criminal matter. But the IRS has been used in the USA in the recent past as a tool to harass innocent people when there is no basis in the law to get them for anything else. Talk about hypocrisy! Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 19 1995 Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <3vqhe0$7s3@news.cais.com> <407bpq$uu2@panther.asahi-net.or.jp> <407d8l$pi3@news.cais.com> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Denis Beauregard (beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca) wrote: : In article <407d8l$pi3@news.cais.com> damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian : J. Anderson) writes: : >From: damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) : >Subject: Re: Multilingual Unification Home Pages : >Date: 8 Aug 1995 10:11:33 GMT : >sadahiro Kurita (uy4s-krt@asahinet.or.jp) wrote: : >: cult should be gone forever! : >Sorry, buddy. Wishing isn't going to do it. We're here to stay, and grow. : Actually not. Moonism is based only on giving your mooney to Moon : (so the name). When moon will die, so will do the moonism with him. You speak from your profound ignorance. Would you like to know what Rev. Moon really stands for, or are you just interested in strutting around and displaying your ignorance for the whole world to see? I have been working with Rev. Moon for 18 years and know just a little bit more about what he stands for than you do. : You failed yet to enter into any debate about your pages. Well, here I am. If you want to debate, go ahead. If you have serious questions, I will do my best to answer them. But if the questions are of the genre "Does Rev. Moon still brainwash people?", on a par with "When did you stop beating your wife?", then I will conclude that you are not serious and just like to hear the sound of your own voice. : Any of your : interventions were to small sentences like that, with no substance. : You systematically don't answer to any debate, you know why? I know the reasons for my actions a whole lot better than you do, and I am not in the least afraid of debate. : Because you don't believe yourself into what you write. You : learned it, you can repeat it. You can even write more similar : pages with similar material. But you don't believe in it. I am not the ignoramus that you think I am. I have 4 college degrees, three of them post graduate, in Mathematics, Computer Science and Religious Education. I make a very comfortable living as a computer consultant. Check out my resume on my Home Page. : If you were, you would find out that God gave to nobody on the : whole earth the right to speak about him and to do so as a : business. Rev. Moon does not take payment for his work as a religious teacher, and neither do I. I invest my OWN MONEY in my ministry and do not earn a dime through it, and have no intentions of making money through it. I don't even need the money. : Just read the bible: Jesus put out of the Temple : all the Merchants. Religion is not a business and from the : first moment some religion asks for money, this religion : is no more a religion. It is a business. Did you ever once hear me ask for money in any of my posts? Did you read any of Rev. Moon's words that I posted where he asks for money? If so, quote me chapter and verse and we can talk about it. If not, you are full of hot air. : So, God for sale? No thanks... God does not need money, power, or knowledge. He has all those things. He needs only love. Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 19 1995 Subject: Re: Riv. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 2 - LE JOUR OU NOUS RECEVONS LA BENEDICTI Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <40vj97$i3d@foucault.rma.ac.be> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Jean-Michel Mangen (jma@elec.rma.ac.be) wrote: : Renaud Dreyer (rdreyer@math.berkeley.edu) wrote: : : In article <40d1re$geo@edf3.der.edf.fr> Michele Morin : : writes: : : Nous avons ete plusieurs a nous plaindre a son postmaster. Certains ont : : recu des reponses evasives... moi, je n'en ai pas encore. : : Son postmaster ( wa3pxx@CAIS.COM) refuse de faire quoique ce soit, car : : c'est un "paying customer", "and anyways he would go to our : : competitors."... : : Quoi faire ? : Continuer a se plaindre aupres de son postmaster (noc@cais.com). : Si celui-ci refuse de faire quoi que ce soit, vous pouvez essayer de : contacter le postmaster du domaine qui donne l'acces a cais.com : (dns-admin@icp.net). Celui-ci prendra alors contact avec le postmaster de : cais.com. S'il accepte qu'il s'agit d'un mauvais usage et que le postmaster : de cais.com refuse de [convaincre|supprimer l'acces] a son utilisateur, : je *crois* qu'il peut aller en dernier recours jusqu'a supprimer l'acces : internet du domaine. Vous utilisez les tactiques totalitaires de me taire, mais ça ne marcherait pas. Même si je perds mon compte a CAIS, je peux obtenir un autre d'ailleurs, et vite. Il y a BEAUCOUP de competition ici pour fournir l'accès sur Internet. Le problème est que vous voulez me taire, et ne voulez pas addresser les issues que j'amene au group. Par exemple, pourquoi est la religion PRESQUE MORTE en France, et les pays Francophones? Pourquoi sont les français si incroyablement négatifs au Rev. Moon? Est-ce qu'il y a un lien? Quel crime a't il commis de mériter quel traitement? Ainsi étaient les prophètes traités en temps anciens! Et Jésus était crucifié par des gens qui étaient ABSOLUMENT SURS qu'ils avaient droits! Le Seigneur de tout qui existe n'était pas trés plaisi avec eux. : Une autre personne que vous pouvez contacter est news@news.sprintlink.net : (Je ne fais que supposer que l'utilisateur news existe; sinon, contactez : le postmaster), qui recoit le feed de news.cais.com. Ils savent déjà. Quel crime ai-je commis? Répondez-moi! J'ai défié le status quo de atheisme sur ce group. N'y a-t-il pas même UN CRÉTIEN qui lise ce groupe? VOUS DEVEZ AVOIR HONTE DE VOUS-MÊMES! : P.S. Ne vous plaignez pas du contenu (qui est libre, puisque le groupe : n'est pas modere), mais de la forme: : 1/ il existe d'autres groupes plus appropries pour ce sujet. : (alt.religion.*, talk.religion.*). Si aucun de ces groupes ne lui : parait interessant, il peut toujours proposer la creation d'un : groupe alt.religion.moon :) Ce n'est pas vrai. Il n'y a pas les groupes pour la discussion de la religion en français. Alt.religion.* et talk.religion.* sont toutes en anglais. Et je ne m'interesse pas en créer un autre division mais de parler avec les gens qui s'interesse en religion, et qui parle le français et pas l'anglais. Il y'a BEAUCOUP de gens en France qui ne parlent pas de tout bien l'anglais. Je sais parce que j'ai habité en France, pendant 1977-1978. J'ai même des amis maintenant en France qui préferent de parler en français, parce que ils ne parlent pas bien l'anglais. : 2/ a titre d'information, sur la periode du 3 au 16 aout, le groupe : soc.culture.belgium contient 58 articles dont le sujet contient "Moon" : soit 738 K sur un total de 2,6 MB pour la meme periode (environ 30%). : Qu'une personne bombarde ces groupes, en occupant 30% de l'espace disque : me semble effectivement indiquer un abus. Voilà, j'ai ecrit beaucoup! Est-ce que c'est en violation des règles? Si c'est vrai, dites moi lequel! : Jean-Michel Mangen : Royal Military Academy #include : Electrical Department : Signal and Image processing Center Blessings, ITPN, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
Aug 19 1995 Subject: Re: Riv. Sun Myung Moon - 1 de 5 - Indemniti Totale Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.quebec,soc.culture.belgium References: <40p5bj$3mm@news.cais.com> <9508170035.00U6E02@infoboard.be> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: world michel.hoffmann@infoboard.be wrote: : Alors, voila ce que papa Moon nous apprend dans son dernier : preche. Je me permets un petit resume (ce qui vous evitera : l'assoupissement definitf), ainsi qu'une exegese personnelle. : Citons le bien-aime reverend : : >Si le monde avait iti centri sur l'amour de Dieu dhs le : >commencement, non seulement le commencement aurait iti idial, : >mais aussi la direction et le risultat final. : Au debut, tout le monde il devait etre beau tout le monde il : devait etre gentil. Ca commence doucement. C'est un position chrétien, que l'homme est chuté de la grace de Dieu et du Paradis, du Jardin d'Eden. : >L'idial de Dieu fut anianti par la chute. Comment l'humaniti : >a-t-elle chuti ? Par l'amour. : Alors, la, on ne comprend plus bien : l'amour est l'ideal, mais : c'est aussi la cause de la chute de l'humanite? En fait, papa : Moon parle ici de l'amour physique (pouah!). Oui. Il n'y a pas de contradiction. L'amour VRAI est l'idéal. L'amour FAUX est la cause de tout la souffrance de l'humanité dès que l'aube de l'histoire humain. Il ne parle pas de l'amour physique. En fait, il enseigne que le commencement du Royaume de Dieu est en le mariage d'un homme est d'une femme qui ont atteints l'amour idéal, spirituel et physique. Ce couple s'appele les Vrais Parents. C'était la mission de Jésus d'atteindre l'amour parfait dans la famille avec une femme et des enfants, et dans le monde, pas seulement comme un homme seul. Il n'a pas fait ça parce que les gens de son temps ne le comprenaient pas, et ne croyaient pas en lui. : >A cause de cela, tout doit jtre restauri ou recrii. : Aie, on est dans une merde noire. Comment allons-nous nous en sortir? L'homme déchu à besoin absolument du Messie, afin de sortir du péché. Il ne peut pas se restaurer sans le Messsie qui vient dans les Derniers Jours. Ces jours-ci sont les Derniers Jours du monde du mal et le Jour du Jugement arrive. : >Satan est lii au monde de l'amour en s'appuyant sur la puissance : >extirieure tandis que Dieu est lii a l'amour par la puissance : >intirieure. : Heureusement, papa Moon a l'explication : pour la comprendre, : relisez la phrase precedente plusieurs fois, jusqu'a ce que vous : ayez compris (bonne chance!). La puissance de Dieu reste dans l'âme de l'homme. La puissance de Satan reste dans le corps de l'homme, et dans ses appétits pour le sexe, la nourriture, le sommeil et le confort. : >L'homme est icarteli entre deux directions diffirentes... : Consequence de la precedente, l'homme est ecartele entre Dieu et : Satan. Comment s'en sortir? Le suspense est intolerable! Oui. Tous les hommes sont écartele entre Dieu et Satan, et on peut s'en sortir par la DISCIPLINE DU CORPS PHYSIQUE, d'avoir dominion sur son propre corps, et pas d'être dominé par le corps. En cela, on trouve le but de toutes les religions, la discipline du corps. Dès qu'on trouve la victoire dans la bataille de la discipline de soi, on trouve la paix profond en soi-même et le commencement du paradis dans sa vie. À ce moment là, Dieu peut être présent dans sa vie. Il ne peut pas demeurer sauf dans un endroit où la paix règne. Si un homme peut être le maître de lui-même, Dieu peut incarner en lui, et peut l'appeler Son Fils. Tous les hommes et les femmes doivent atteindre ce but, car c'est le but de la vie, d'atteindre l'amour parfait avec Dieu, et d'atteindre l'amour parfait entre un homme et une femme, l'amour des parents pour ces enfants, et l'amour entre les frères, les soeurs, et les amis et avec la nature. : >S'il y a dix personnes, cela fait aussittt dix directions : >diffirentes ; c'est la dispersion. Le monde devint un monde de : >confusion comme risultat de la chute. : Suite du raisonnement. Decidement, notre cas ne s'arrange pas. A : quand la solution? La solution viendra avec l'avènement du Messie. En fait, il est venu, et Rév. Sun Myung Moon est cet homme. : >Adam doit se renier et Eve doit se renier igalement. S'il y a : >dix membres dans une famille et que tous les dix essaient de : >crier l'uniti en s'affirmant, l'uniti est impossible. S'il y a : >dix membres dans une famille, tous les dix doivent se renier. : Enfin la solution : ***SE RENIER*** , seule issue vers : l'harmonie. Il y a des gens pour gober des trucs pareils? Tu doit penser! Si les gens s'affirment, il a raison que l'unité et l'harmonie soient impossibles. Mais si les gens se renient, s'ils se mettent les intérêts de soi après les intérêts des autres, ça marchera beaucoup mieux. Ce n'est pas difficile à comprendre. : >Nous en arrivons alors au point de renier notre corps et notre : >pensie. Nous ne pouvons pas ne pas aller jusque-la. : Encore plus fort : nous devons renier notre pensee, seul attribut : qui nous distingue des animaux. Qu'est-ce que M. Moon veut faire : de nous? Non, absolument pas! Il réfère de renier nos intérêts, n'importe quoi ce que je veuille, qui est entre moi et mon abilité d'aimer l'autre personne. C'est très important de comprendre ça pour avoir le bon mariage et la bon famille. Il faut savoir comment aimer les autres et créer l'unité et l'harmonie chez soi. : >Il ne saurait subsister un iota d'auto-affirmation. : Sic! Vous etes d'accord, vous? Affirmation de soi est le début de la disharmonie. Peut être c'est difficile pour les français à comprendre, mais c'est la érité! :-) : >Une personne a beau chercher l'ipanouissement de sa nature : >originelle dans cette liberti, en rialiti elle perd tout et : >sombre dans l'agonie du disespoir. Ne pouvant trouver la : >satisfaction de ses disirs et idiaux individuels, elle finit : >par abandonner. C'est la rialiti que vivent aujourd'hui : >beaucoup de personnes dans le monde libre, particulihrement aux : >Etats-Unis. : Ca, c'est bien joue! Pour ceux qui ne sont pas encore convaincus : par ce qui precede, Papa Moon nous apprend que notre desir de : liberte est en fait la cause de tous nos maux, surtout dans les : pays ou M. Moon cherche sa clientele. Quel cynique tu es! Est-ce que tu as trouvé la paix profond et le bonheur dans ta vie? Où, au contraire, est-ce que tu es un homme de désespoir, sans espoir, qui a abandonné ses idéaux? La réalité des États Unis est que la richesse seule n'amene pas le bonheur. Regardez O.J Simpson! Il avait tout, l'argent, le renom, la belle femme, la famille avec les duex enfants minions, mais sans l'amour de sa femme, il n'a rien de tout! Sans l'idéal de l'amour, tous les hommes sont les pauvres. : >Dans la pensie orientale existe le concept de soumission : >absolue aux parents, ainsi que la notion de suivre les frhres : >et soeurs annis. L'extension de ces notions signifie la : >soumission aux leaders du clan, de la sociiti ou de la nation. : >Ainsi aboutissons-nous a un fondement parfait basi sur l'idie : >de soumission. Sinon, nous ne pouvons jamais avoir une : >famille,un clan, une sociiti, une nation ou un monde conformes : >a l'attente de Dieu. : Ca, c'est la cerise sur le gateau. Il est bien connu que la : pensee occidentale ne vaut rien (beerk!). Seule la pensee : orientale est respectable. Et qu'est-ce qu'elle nous dit, cette : bonne pensee orientale? Elle confirme le blabla vaseux qui : precede. Merveilleux, non? Je pense que la cause de la rupture familiale dans l'occident ait beaucoup de rapport avec l'absense de la soumission de n'importe quoi, soumission des enfants aux parents, soumission des épouses, l'un à l'autre, soumission de l'homme à Dieu. La religion d'Islam veut dire "la soumission". Il y a un désir profond dans le coeur de chaque être humain d'être aimé tant par une personne qu'on puisse se soumettre à cet amour. Dieu le Tout-Puissant même a un désir irrésistible pour cet amour. Pour cela, Il nous a crée! Ne veut tu pas avoir un tel amour où tu puisse te sentir sans danger de te soumettre? Voilà le bonheur! Voilà le sexe sans pareil! Voilà la paix profond dans le coeur de l'homme et la femme! Voilà la famille où les enfants se sentent aimés! Si tu ne le comprends pas, tu ne le comprends pas! 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