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Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 24


Feb 22 1996 From damian@cais.cais.comThu Feb 22 19:20:14 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Damian J. Anderson" To: Walter Smith Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Walter Smith wrote: > Damian, > > I had a quick question about the beliefs on the > Unification Church; do you beleive that Jesus > is God - beleive in the Trinity? > > Thanks! I do not believe that Jesus is God Himself, but that he is one with God, much as husband and wife are one. For the Divine Principle teaching on the subject, read: "Is Jesus God Himself?" at http://www.unification.net/dp73/dp73-1-7.html#2.3 > Walter Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 22 1996 Subject: The Kirov Ballet Academy Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <31272917.17528434@news.snafu.de> <4gbq3p$qi2@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <312a1b31.2577465@news.snafu.de> <4gepjf$33b@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <312bab28.14415340@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4gepjf$33b@usenet.kornet.nm.kr>, sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr (SeKeo : (kornet)) wrote: : >: What if "Julia" wants to marry a living guy ? Is this allowed ? : > : >Why the quotation marks suddenly? Anyway, she is quite capable of speaking : >for herself. I'm sure you can send here a message care of the Wl : Because its not her real name. Her real name is "Hoon Sok Pak". Many artists use names other than their given names, such as Prince, Madonna, Bob Dylan, so why would it be so strange for a Korean ballerina to adopt an English sounding name? In fact, it is very common for Koreans who live in America to use an American name among their English speaking friends. It is just easier to pronounce. I knew Hoon Sook back around 1978-80 when she was studying ballet in London. She used to come to the CARP house in London where I spent the summers. : >If the author of that article knew anything about Julia Moon, he/she : >should have described her as something more than "a dancer." Go : >back and check the article again. Also, check with Russia's Kirov : >Ballet to see whether they've ever heard of her. : If you have anything to say, say it. Has she retired ? Or has she turned : to forms of dance that are more popular ? Or does she sell insurances : instead ? Or are you just wasting bandwith ? I believe that Julia (Hoon Sook) Moon is the principal dancer with the Universal Ballet Company in Seoul, Korea. My sister-in-law, Anne Inoue, is her personal assistant. The Kirov Ballet academy artistic director, Oleg Vinogradov, brought many of his dance teachers to Washington DC to begin a dance academy here, which goes by the name of the Kirov Ballet Academy. The former Soviet government gave them permission to use the Kirov name. The founder and sole benefactor of the Kirov Academy is none other than Rev. Sun Myung Moon. There is a strong demand for places at this private school, and it has established a prestigious name for itself during its short history in the US. The Kirov and UBC in Seoul have a close association. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 22 1996 Subject: Re: DISCUSS BIBLE WITH AN ATHEIST? WHY NOT?? :-) Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <311bc5d5.576382@news.snafu.de> <311d0e73.8807882@news.snafu.de> <311dd7ed.5528640@news.snafu.de> <311fc8f1.1163146@news.snafu.de> <4g71br$f5v@crusher.ici.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Edward Brunelle (eddy@ici.net) wrote: : Hi; : My name is Eddy and I am looking for a few people to discuss the New : Testament with. I am looking for a special type of Person however. : You see....I am an Atheist. I may even be considered by some as a : "Hard Core Atheist"! Are you the person who goes by the name of Publius on alt.atheism? I have in the past had discussions on alt.atheism, but the people on there were among the most intolerant I have ever met. If you want to question or discuss the beliefs of Unificationism on this forum, alt.religion.unification exists for that purpose, which is where I see this post, so go ahead. I have no interest in private e-mail discussion, not because I don't feel up it, but because I am interested in discussing Unification ideas in public to heighten public awareness of the life and teachings of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Our resident interrogator is Tilman Hausherr, who calls us to task on every perceived wrong and inconsistency. Let me just say that it can be fruitful for all of us to be questioned. In attempting to come up with answers, I am required to look within myself for what I believe to be true and come up with honest answers. Now the questioner can engage in similar self-scrutiny, or can simply hide behind a veil of questions. Whichever you choose is up to you, but welcome aboard anyway. : EDDY Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 6 1996 Subject: Re: Could Tilman be fibbing? Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.religion.scientology,alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.religion.unification,soc.culture.german Followup-To: sci.skeptic,alt.religion.scientology,alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.religion.unification,soc.culture.german References: <4eka75$pan@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <64FHmjWfapB@alnilam.toppoint.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: B.P.F. Kassler (bpfk@alnilam.toppoint.de) wrote: : Hello Tilman : (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) ## 28 Feb 96 ## : >Moonies are not exactly known to respect the truth. He denied it, : Do you have any explanation *why* these cult scums are always lying?? Is : it a kind of brain damage ?? Are you saying that ALL members of the Unification Church ALWAYS lie? Do you have any evidence to support this outrageous bigoted claim? Have you heard me lie even once? Shame on you. : mit freundlichem Grusse: Bernd Ich glaube das nicht! : mintaka@toppoint.de..........................(bkassler@ploe.comcity.de) : - erratic othography is intended to contribute to common amusement - Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 6 1996 Subject: The Spiritual Body Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: <4haopu$cr0@B1FF.mindspring.com> <4hb9og$3vf@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <4hjfo4$mvc@unlisys.unlisys.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : SeKeo (kornet) (sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote: : : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body are closely : : intertwined so that if a substance is going to have ill effects on : : the physical side then it cannot but also have similar effegts on : : the spiritual side. If using LSD turns your phyical body into mush, : : then you can bet that it's doing the same to your spiritual body. : Funny. I never heard that LSD turns "the physical body into mush". : I also never heard that there is something as a "spiritual body". See 1 Corinthians 15. There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly bodies. The earthly body is in the image and likeness of the heavenly one. It is the heavenly body that we take with us to eternity when we leave this life. This is the body that Peter, James and John, the apostles saw of Jesus, Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration, recorded in Matthew 17. This is the form in which Jesus appeared to his disciples after his death. It is a thoroughly biblical concept. : How many bodies do you have, Tim ? Every person living on the Earth has a spiritual body and a physical body. On departing the physical life, we retain only the spiritual body. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 7 1996 Subject: Re: Could Tilman be fibbing? Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.religion.scientology,alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.religion.unification,soc.culture.german,alt.religion.christian References: <4eka75$pan@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <64FHmjWfapB@alnilam.toppoint.de> <4hk77j$ngs@news2.cais.com> <313e09be.15743592@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4hk77j$ngs@news2.cais.com>, damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. : Anderson) wrote: : >B.P.F. Kassler (bpfk@alnilam.toppoint.de) wrote: : >: Hello Tilman : >: (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) ## 28 Feb 96 ## : > : >: >Moonies are not exactly known to respect the truth. He denied it, : > : >: Do you have any explanation *why* these cult scums are : >: always lying?? Is it a kind of brain damage ?? : > : >Are you saying that ALL members of the Unification Church ALWAYS : >lie? Do you have any evidence to support this outrageous bigoted : >claim? : Although it hurts (ouch!) I have to agree with Damian here. I wouldn't : say what Bernd said. (There is an obvious difference between the two : statements). Thank you, Tilman. I respect that in you, that you are a man of principle, even though we disagree. : >Have you heard me lie even once? : No. You seem to be the one with the most integrity, especially compared : to the other in the newsgroup. I guess some people try to stay honest : even in such a cult. Of course this doesn't prevent you to repeat the : usual propaganda. This I take as high praise, coming from you, Tilman. :-) I am a man of conscience, and I have always done my very best to follow my father's advice, that is, my physical father (Mr. Anderson), not my spiritual father and guide (Rev. Moon). His only request of me when I had doubts about my Catholic faith in my adolescence was that I always be an honest seeker of the truth. I ask nothing more of you, Tilman, and nothing less either. And as for propaganda, one man's gospel is another man's propaganda. : Tilman Hausherr Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 7 1996 Subject: Re: UTexts: Harmony of Extremes Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Charles Coen (coen@netcom.com) wrote: : Damian J. Anderson (damian@cais.cais.com) wrote: : : "Blessing and Ideal Family" : : by Reverend Sun Myung Moon : : Chapter 4 : : Part 2 : : THE STANDARD FOR MATCHING AND OUR ATTITUDE : : 2. THERE SHOULD BE THE HARMONY OF EXTREMES : : When Father is giving the Blessing, he has to make two poles meet for : : there to be a harmonious family. : How does "Father" handle the meeting of two poles in same sex marriages? Same sex marriages are marriages made in hell. There are no same sex marriages blessed by Rev. Moon or by the Unification Church or by God. : Chuck Coen Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 9 1996 Subject: Re: North Koreans Consume Human Flesh Newsgroups: sci.military.naval,alt.religion.unification References: <4hlie7$5bt@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> <4ho2rs$eds@artemis.it.luc.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Mike Stucka (mstucka@orion.it.luc.edu) wrote: : Dwayne Allen Day (wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) wrote: : : [I am not making this up] : : According to an article in the 6 March Washington Times, : Couple of comments: regardless of factual content, it doesn't seem : particularly pertinent to the newsgroup. Regarding the factual : content, it should probably be mentioned that the Rev. Moon owns : the Washington Times. It may be of interest to you to know that the Summit Council for World Peace, which is an organization of former heads of state founded by Rev. Moon, is providing humanitarian assistance to North Korea in the form of food aid. For a fuller report, see the statement on my home page at: http://www.unification.net/misc/nkorea.html Members of the Summit Council have developed private diplomatic ties with North Korea. Rev. Moon, who comes from the North, visited with the late Kim Il Sung and agreed to help him in the development of the country. Members of SCWP have met with Kim Jong Il since he came to power. : Mike Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Mar 9 1996 Subject: Re: The Spiritual Body Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <4haopu$cr0@B1FF.mindspring.com> <4hb9og$3vf@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <4hjfo4$mvc@unlisys.unlisys.net> <4hl3lg$26@news2.cais.com> <3140804b.3848429@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4hl3lg$26@news2.cais.com>, damian@cais3.cais.com (Damian J. : Anderson) wrote: : >Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : >: SeKeo (kornet) (sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote: : >: : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body are closely : >: : intertwined so that if a substance is going to have ill effects on : >: : the physical side then it cannot but also have similar effegts on : >: : the spiritual side. If using LSD turns your phyical body into mush, : >: : then you can bet that it's doing the same to your spiritual body. : > : >: Funny. I never heard that LSD turns "the physical body into mush". : >: I also never heard that there is something as a "spiritual body". : > : >See 1 Corinthians 15. There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly : >bodies. The earthly body is in the image and likeness of the heavenly : >one. It is the heavenly body that we take with us to eternity when : >we leave this life. This is the body that Peter, James and John, : >the apostles saw of Jesus, Moses and Elijah on the Mount of : >Transfiguration, recorded in Matthew 17. This is the form in which : >Jesus appeared to his disciples after his death. It is a thoroughly : >biblical concept. : Even if it is written in the Bible like that, I don't agree with it. : Using such language is representing something spiritual as physical. A : "body" is something solid. If Jesus appeared to his fans after his : death, then it means he was really there, either because he didn't : actually die, or because he came back from the death. If you say it was : only a "spiritual body", then it would mean that a scientific test : should be developped, which would show if a person you meet is actually : there, or is just a spiritual stand-in. Part of the problem may lie in the weakness of the language we use to express such concepts. The spiritual body to my understanding has a form and substance that can be perceived by the spiritual senses but not by the physical senses. What is physical can be perceived by the physical senses or by instruments which extend their capacity. However, the spiritual dimension does not lend itself well to such measurement. Although we know that love, courage, conscience, faithfulness, patience, fortitude, forbearance, all these are spiritual qualities, they do not have units such as Ohm, Hertz, Volt, Weber, Farad, Kilogram, Meter, Second, Coulomb, and so on by which we can measure them. : But thanks for explaining me the term. It means that Tim believes that : LSD is doing harm to you after your death. It also means that his : sentence You are welcome. You may find that the teachings of other religions will give you insight into this concept of the spiritual body, since it is by no means a uniquely Unificationist concept. Indeed the concept of many different levels of bodies such as the emotional body, the mental body, the etheric body, and so on are common in Eastern religions. You will also hear mention of energy centers called chakras, and meridians of energy flow used in acupuncture. Just because western science does not acknowledge the validity of such things does not mean that they are not true, or indeed that they are true. However, I am inclined to believe that there is a whole lot that we do not know about the workings of the body and the spirit and their relationship to one another. : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human body : should be rewritten : The physical and spiritual aspects of the human bodies Maybe so. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com