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Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 23


Feb 18 1996 Subject: Re: Christianity & Racism Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: <1996Feb18.063321@axp2.umkc.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: nkhan@axp2.umkc.edu wrote: : Could some one please tell me what does bible say about the practice : of racism. If christianity is a religion of love and peace then : why did white christians treat black christians so badly. If : christianity is such a nice religion then why were blacks in USA : totally segregated. I have heard some KKK members say that God : wants blacks and whites to be seperate. Is this really what the : bible teaches? I have never seen any one contradict KKK from the : bible. How come the blacks could'nt even attend the white churches : about 30 yers ago. Is segregation the teachings of a loving God? : Why would a loving God of christianity want to keep people of : different races disunited and seperate? Now we have to keep in : mind that equal rights were granted to women and blacks in USA by : the constitution and not by the church authorities. The Bible teaches us that God is the creator of all people, and that He is our Father. Anyone who teaches that God wants to divide black and whites is giving you the teachings of God's enemy, the devil. : Dont consider this as a critique. I am sincerely looking for some : answers. I just cant comprehend why would a gracious God of : christianity want to create discord and segregation among people : of different color? God does not want discord, and He cannot bless or dwell with people who practice discord and segregation. : Please reply to my e-mail account because I dont browse through : this news group very often. Do indicate your denomination regardless : of your opinion, because I guess different denominations hold : different opinions on this subject. This is the short answer. However, you will find that racism is one of the big pervasive problems in American Christianity. The founder of my church, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, believes that the way to solve the problem of racism is international, inter-racial and intercultural marriage. So, last year, he organized a wedding of 360,000 couples in Seoul, Korea, and next year, he will hold a 3.6 million couples wedding, dedicated to the theme of World Peace through Ideal Families. A large proportion of these marriages are inter-racial. Rev. Moon matches many of the couples himself, others come to receive his blessing on their choice of partner, or are married couples asking for his blessing. : Thanks. You're welcome. For more info, visit my Home Page. In particular, you may like the World Scripture at: http://www.unification.net/ws The main Unification Home Page is at: http://www.unification.net : nkhan@cctr.umkc.edu Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 18 1996 Subject: Re: fwd: Moon defendant in Alaska Price-Fixing Charges Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,alt.culture.alaska References: <31237f5d.1604139@news.snafu.de> <4g0jm9$5lj@reader2.ix.netcom.com> <4g1iem$eta@zippy.cais.net> <4g5cl5$f91@news.alaska.edu> <312756e6.5381057@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4g5cl5$f91@news.alaska.edu>, rnejn@aurora.alaska.edu (Joanne Nelson) : wrote: : >If you are interested enough to read this thread I hope you will be : >interested enough to do some research for the truth. The way I hear it is : >that there were not "2,700 Bristol Bay Fishermen" but 9 (that's right, : >nine!) and these "Bristol Bay Fishermen" are not residents of Bristol Bay : >but men who come up here during their summer vacation from lucrative : >winter jobs to fish. Their opinions and actions should not be taken as : >representative of the Bristol Bay Fishermen who live here and fish in the : >summer to provide for their families need throughout the year. : Could it be that both AP and you are correct ? That nine filed the : initial lawsuit, that the court allowed it to be a class action law : suit, and that other 2691 people joined it ? Hey Tilman, put your brain into gear before opening your mouth please. If you don't know the facts, just hush, okay? : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 18 1996 From zippy.cais.net!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Sun Feb 18 17:26:53 1996 Path: zippy.cais.net!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: andybacus@aol.com (AndyBacus) Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification Subject: Re: Is There Any Valid Criteria Members Can Use to Disbelieve? Date: 18 Feb 1996 15:11:34 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 271 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4g815m$3ea@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <312251a2.1380594@news.snafu.de> Reply-To: andybacus@aol.com (AndyBacus) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Andrew responds to Steve's latest: >Andy, a Congressional Investigation has no power to make charges. They >cited that they found systematic evidence of wrongdoing and called for an >interagency task force to further investigate those areas. Read the >report! It was published by the U.S. government Printing Office- stock >number 052-070-04729-1 (dated October 31st 1978). Eventually, Moon was >convicted, sentenced to jail and served 13 months. Is Steve kidding? The purpose of such investigations is to dig up dirt and then to pass it all on to a federal prosecutor. Check with Hillary, she can confirm that. The Fraser committee started with the well worn accusations that Rev. Moon was an operative for the KCIA, that Rev. Moon was involved in the misuse of public money, that his Church was a front for personal gain, etc. - all seriously illegal acts. The committee ended up with NOTHING. Exactly what it started with >I believe that it was because of the proof that the Korean CIA used the >Moonies at least twice, for political reasons within the U.S., that the >U.S. government didn't want to embarrass the South Korean dictatorship or >jeopardize future U.S. funding for our political ally. Ah, yes. It couldn't be that the evidence against Rev. Moon and the UC was so woefully lacking that prosecution was not even remotely possible. No, it must have been the government's decision to not embarrass the S. Korean government. Get real. Steve and everyone else knows without a doubt that if there had been anything there Rev. Moon would have been indicted faster than you can say "I'm running for president." I see Steve continues to use the "Moonie" tag. He is such a mature mental health professional. I wonder if casting pejorative hate speech is a violation of Massachusetts law as it applies to licensed mental health professionals? What was the name of that agency that Steve claims to be registered with? Grow up, Steve. >Remember, the CIA >set up the Korean CIA after the third coup in 1961. The cold war was hot >against the commies and Colonel Bo Hi Pak's (Moon's right hand man and >chief interpreter- also listed as owner of many Moon businesses) job in >the South Korean embassy in D.C. in 1963 was as liason person between CIA >and Korean CIA. I believe that is why the findings of the investigation >were not acted upon- except to slap Moon's hand forthe tax conspiracy >charge. Gosh, sounds like Steve has the outline for a screen play that Oliver Stone might be interested in. Such stories are great when you don't have to bother supplying any evidence in support. >According to TIME magazine, the Moonies spent 30 million dollars >on a campaign to paint Moon as the "persecuted yellow man with a minority >religion". The money paid for full page ads, and provided a lot of money >to "religious" leaders and others who were willing to speak publicly in >defense of Moon. Like Senator Orin Hatch, for example, or Ted Abernathy, or Correta Scott King, or the ACLU, or the National Council of Churches, or the Baptist Churches of America, or dozens of others representing millions of Americans who all agreed that, indeed, Rev. Moon was such a persecuted religious figure. Or can Steve point out any other person who was prosecuted for failing to pay approximately $7,300 in taxes. >As far as Congressman Fraser losing his next election bid, there were >reports that Moonies went door to door, spreading lies that Fraser was a >KGB agent (with no proof, except an article published in the Moonie >newspaper). I like that. "There were reports that..." I wonder how someone would go about checking those reports? How convenient. >Andy, have you ever read the Congressional Report? I bet you haven't. If >you did, you would have black and white proof that the Moon leadership >lies completely whenever they talk about the investigation finding no >evidence of wrongdoing. Sometime in the near future, the highlights, if >not the entire investigation will get posted for all to read. At that >point,Andy will you finally come clean and do the right thing- leave the >group? Indeed, Andrew has a copy of said report and has read it. But having been around the block once or twice I am not quite as gullible as Steve seems to be. Congressional committees that spend millions of dollars on investigations that do not pan out are not prone to institutionalizing their folly in governmental reports. Thus savvy Congressional watchers look past the rationalizing and try to find the beef. What was the beef of the Fraser Committee? Zero. >More lies, Andy. I bet you didn't read the legal case at all. I confess. I haven't read all 50,000 pages of the transcript. >Moon failed to pay interest on a personal account of over one million dollars. >The government proved its case by showing cancelled checks that the money >was used only for Moon's family. False. But don't take my word for it, please refer to the quotes from the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee which investigated the case, Senator Orin Hatch. According to him: "The three Justice Department attorneys who initially undertook an independent review of a possible criminal action against Rev. Moon unanimously agreed, independently of each other, that there was no case." "According to the Justice Department's review, Rev. Moon's tax liability, even if the government's case could be proven, was a mere $7,300 for a three year period [or roughly $2,433 per year]. I have been advised that the Justice Department's own guidelines state that criminal tax cases will not be brought if the alleged tax deficiency is less than $2,500 per year." Oh, I forgot. Hatch is a Mormon and Steve considers the Mormons to be another dangerous cult. Thus Hatch is suffering from mind control too. That explains it, right Steve/Tilman? >I personally was aware that in 1974 (remember Kamiyama was in charge of >all fundraising operations in the U.S) that there were several MFT teams >called "Father's teams" which were out fundraising full time. That money >did not even go into the bank. It was transported and turned over in cash >for Moon's own personal use. Not so. The expression "Father's teams" has always referred to fundraising teams whose result is earmarked for national Church purposes. If what Steve says is correct (and it surely is not) then the Unification Church, perhaps the most investigated Church in the history of America, would have long ago lost its tax exempt status. Accusations flow freely from Steve, but ask for some objectively verifiable evidence and the only thing you hear is: "I was part of Moon's inner circle and he told me....". A total crock. >>While we are at it, compare Rev. Moon's sinister conspiracy to not pay >>$7,000 to the actions of Mr. Hassan who, for a fee, conspired with >>convicted felons to kidnap and involuntary deprogram members of religious >>groups. Did Steve ever serve time in jail for those actions? No. But >>which is more morally repugnant? >Again, you continue to spread lies and innuendo Andy. I have NEVER >conspired with convicted felons. I have never kidnapped anyone. I have >spoken out against involuntary interventions since 1980. I have never been >charged, much less convicted for anything- unlike ex-convict Moon and his >son Hyo Jin. Yes, as far as I know, Steve has never been charged. But when he acknowledges to participating in involuntary deprogrammings, then he acknowledges to participation in criminal acts. By participating with others in said criminal acts, then he has conspired to commit crimes, even if he was not the one who did the actual kidnapping. As for his claim that he has spoken out against kidnapping, I find that claim to be quite hollow in light of his long-time, continuous affiliation with CAN, which has referred hundreds of parents of members of new religious groups to the likes of convicted felons Galen Kelly, Rick Ross, and many others. >As far as Moon not speaking English, I have a Masters Speaks in 1973 in >which Moon says that he is "desperately studying English" and that it is >the only thing slowing down God's Providence. I repeat. He could >understand basic English (Let's not forget that we were told that he could >read people's minds) and I personally heard him speak English- badly, I'd >admit, but English. Steve makes my case. Rev. Moon was simply not in a position to speak with any clarity in English during the time Steve claims. >I am qualified to counsel individuals, couples and families because I >have taken the time to be trained in counseling. My Master's degree was >obtained over ten years ago, and I have had a great deal of experience. Does Steve refer to his African American clients as "Niggers", his gay clients as "fags", his Chinese clients as "chinks". His immaturity in referring to Unificationists as "Moonies" flys right in the face of any claim he might make to being qualified as a counselor. >First of all, I have never been involved with a kidnapping. So your >statement is false. Here's a quote from *Steve's* own written statement given to me by him a couple years ago: "When I spoke with Skip, he was already handcuffed. I immediately sought to convince him to calm down and stop being violent so he could be released. He proceeded to kick a hole in the wall while on his bed. I broke down in tears. I told him that I had no desire to have him restrained, but his own behavior was forcing his family to do this." [Note: As I recall, Tilman once challenged the authenticity of this quote. Now Steve can confirm it for him.] The guy was being held against his will. (Heaven knows why he would be violent.) Steve was there participating in his involuntary deprogramming. Just because Steve did not punch him in the face and throw him into a van, as Ted Patrick used to do, does not mean he was not a participant. >Second, when you continue to write in the present >tense, you lie, because you know that I have not participated in anything >involuntary since 1977. You knowingly perpetuate falsehoods. Not so. Unless Steve equates the expression "deprogramming" with kidnapping. Please quote me speaking of Steve's participation in involuntary deprogrammings in the present tense. > You make it sound like it is a crime that I charge money for my >counseling services. Why have I helped so many people for free in the past >twenty years, if my only objective is to earn money. Its not at all a crime to charge money for counseling services. However, when the counselor relies on psychological theories which are shared by only about 1% or less of members of the psychological community, then one has to examine possible motives for that. One that glares out is the fact that Steve charges $1,000 a day for his services. Its highly relevant. But honestly I do not think that money is Steve's prime motivation. I think his primary motivation is to justify the betrayal of his former faith. >I use the word Moonies, because Moon liked the word Moonie, we used to >wear buttons "I am a Moonie, and I Love it" and I do not feel like I need >to collaborate with the cult public relations effort to make it seem like >a legitimate church. But, of course, the UC* is* a legitimate church, and members of the UC are people who have the same human rights as everyone else. Members of the UC are hurt and offended by the expression "Moonies". For most people, that's enough to cause them to no longer use the term. But when you are trying to defame someone, like Steve, you ignore the pain you cause others. >The analogy does not fit with the word nigger. It is >not meant to hurt or despise- becuase I refer to myself as an ex-moonie. >It is a desriptive word of someone who is a follower of Mr. Moon. That is >why I use it and will continue to use it. This guy has a Masters degree in counseling? My goodness. Again, all UC members consider the word to be pejorative. They are insulted and hurt by it. Steve sounds like a Southern bigot trying to rationalize his use of the word "nigger". "Gee Billy Bob, most of the Negroes I know call themselves "nigger". It derives from Nigeria where they came from. Nothing pejorative about it..." To be honest, I'm glad Steve will continue to use the word. He may as well wear a badge that says "I'm a bigot." >Andrew, it is your job to tell lies for the group. The scam is that you >pretend to be a believer, but I suspect you have lost your faith a long >time ago. Doesn't gnaw at you, that you are supporting a cause which is so >false? My faith has never been stronger. I recognize the validity of what Rev. Moon has been saying now more than ever. Indeed, the pro-family values advocated by Rev. Moon consistently since 1971 when he first came to America to begin his mission have now become the core belief structure of the Republican party (and the conservative wing of the Democratic party) and they will have more and more impact on America. You have this false concept that Rev. Moon expected every one in Americax to accept him as the messiah. That has never been what Rev. Moon is about. He's about getting people to live in the manner and dignity of true children of God. Perhaps Steve's faith when he was a member was based upon the personality worship of Rev. Moon, but not mine. Andrew
Feb 18 1996 Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms -- Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Dave Koch (dkoch@sas.upenn.edu) wrote: : Please help me to define these terms that relate to the Unification Church : (the Moonies). As I donıt regularly read this group, please e-mail your : responses directly to me. : Boonvile : CARP : Creative Community Project : dual characteristics (of creation, God) : Fall of man : four position foundation : give-and-take relation : ³heart² : Holy Spirit Association : ICUS : indemnity : Lord of the Second Advent : matching : MFT : New ERA : Oakland Family : Ocean Church : Pusan : restoration : Second Adam : spiritual parent : suffering : The Principle : three blessings : True Parents : Unification Theological Seminary : Washington Times Maybe you can just do your own homework, and look at the Unification Home Page: http://www.unification.net Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 18 1996 Subject: The Holy Wine Ceremony Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <31278e99.18173309@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : Guess I'm a baaad guy. Damian named me three web sites (thank you), : today I started looking at them, and what do I find ? Something : different than what I was searching (holy wine stuff). Tilman made a query about the Holy Wine Ceremony. I did a search, which I have yet to automate on the web page, but which I can do locally, and here are the hits. There may be others, but these were pages on which both words "holy" and "wine" occurred on the same line: http://www.unification.net/gww/gww-29.html http://www.unification.net/misc/marriage.html http://www.unification.net/bif/bif-4-4.html http://www.unification.net/tradition/tt1-21.html : Tilman Hausherr Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 20 1996 Subject: Re: Christianity & Racism On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, L. wrote: > You wrote: > > > >: Please reply to my e-mail account because I dont browse through > >: this news group very often. Do indicate your denomination regardless > >: of your opinion, because I guess different denominations hold > >: different opinions on this subject. > > Christianity as we know it emerged from the controversy between the > Jewish followers of Jesus as Messiah and the gentile followers of > Saul/Paul, who invented a new Savior Cult. After the Jewish War and > destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) and disappearance of the Jerusalem > Church of Jewish Messianists, Gentile Christians needed to distance > themselves from Jews in general and to prove that they are not > subversive toward the Roman rulers. So they falsified the story of > their titular founder (Jesus) to make it look like he was pro-Roman and > anti-Jewish. Just read the Gospel according to Mark with this in mind. > > Consequently, official Christianity started out as an anti Jewish > religion, and remained so until the recent decree by the Pope > exonerating the Jewish people. > > This should be enough for now. This is an interesting perspective, but of course, Christianity has never been monolithic, and there have been pockets of virtue and of corruption always, sometimes the virtuous leading and sometimes the corrupt. I am no great scholar on the history of Christianity, and in fact I have the famous book by Walker on the History of Christianity on my bookshelf, which I intend to study in more detail in the coming months. Even though the Papacy may have held an anti-semitic stance at times, that does not mean that the sincere pious Christians have shared that view. After all, there have been popes, priests and bishops who though vowed to celibacy had illegitimate children. That does not invalidate the faith because some were unfaithful. > L. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 20 1996 Subject: Re: The Moonie FAQ Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian Followup-To: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <31271253.11850343@news.snafu.de> <4g880o$9mq@zippy.cais.net> <3128dcf5.5489918@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4g880o$9mq@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) wrote: : >Well, Tilman, without commenting on the rest of this diatribe, the : >least you can do is show sources pro and con. If someone wants to : >find original source material of Unificationist teachings, they : >can look at the Unification Home Page where you can find texts in : >nine languages, and links to other Unificationist pages: : You are absolutely correct. I don't know why I "forgot" this - in my : scientology related work, I maintain a whole page of pro-scientologist : links. I have no problem with this. Here the content of the next version : of the FAQ. Who knows, maybe some people want to join the organisation : immediately when reading it. I have included only one UC address, since : it would be too long. That's better. While I don't agree with 99 per cent of the content of this "FAQ", this is a minimal requirement so that even though your editorial slant is skewed against the church, at least you need to provide original sources. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 21 1996 Subject: Re: UNIFICATION CHURCH -- Please help me define these terms -- Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <4g8dqd$9mq@zippy.cais.net> <3128f580.11511236@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4g8dqd$9mq@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. : Anderson) wrote: : >Dave Koch (dkoch@sas.upenn.edu) wrote: : >: Please help me to define these terms that relate to the Unification : >: Church (the Moonies). As I dont regularly read this group, please : >: e-mail your responses directly to me. : >: Boonvile : don't know Booneville was a retreat used by the California Unification Church (UC). : >: CARP : student recruiters Collegiate Association for the Research of Principles, a student organization associated with the Unification Church. : >: Creative Community Project : front group A project of the California UC. : >: dual characteristics (of creation, God) Observation that living things exist in pairs, male/female, internal/external and this reflects God's nature. : >: Fall of man : eating an apple when you're told not to The origin of sin which caused humanity to be alienated from God. : >: four position foundation The purpose of creation is to form this four-position foundation consisting of God, husband, wife and children, fulfilling God's ideal of love in the family. : >: give-and-take relation The action which binds subject and object and which is the source of all existence, action, multiplication and development. : >: ³heart² The motivation of the subject to seek out and unite with the object in love. : >: Holy Spirit Association HSA-UWC - Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, the official name of the Unification Church. : >: ICUS International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences. : >: indemnity Reparation for sin. : >: Lord of the Second Advent The man who fulfils the role of the returning Christ. : >: matching : assigning a partner The assignment of a marriage partner for the Blessing, the Unification Church wedding and primary sacrament. : >: MFT : petal pushers Mobile Fundraising Team. : >: New ERA : Something that Moon claims to bring us New Ecumenical Research Association : >: Oakland Family The Oakland, California UC. : >: Ocean Church The work of Rev. Moon in the area of fishing, fish-farming, boat building, fish restaurants, all as a way to develop the oceans to feed the world. The fish processing plant in Alaska has developed a high protein fish powder which is to be used by relief agencies in famine relief. There is a boat building factory in Bayou La Batre, Louisiana. There is a frequent tuna fishing competition off Gloucester, Mass to encourage people to learn the art of ocean fishing for blue fin tuna. There is an oceanography department being developed at the University of Bridgeport, Connecticut, which will support the development of oceanic resources. Recently, there was an exhibition commemorating Rev. Moon's work for the last 21 years in the arena of oceanic resource development. : >: Pusan A city in South Korea which was at one time the only part of Korea not occupied by the Communists. The first Unificatino Church was built there out of old Army ration boxes and mud. : >: restoration : Moonifying Restoration = Salvation = Recreation = Establishment of God's Ideal on Earth and in the eternal spirit world. : >: Second Adam : Moon No, Jesus. (1 Cor 15:45) : >: spiritual parent : Moon No, the person who introduces another to the faith. : >: suffering : don't know. My life is pretty cool. No a particularly Unificationist experience or concept. : >: The Principle : The diving principle. The base text. The Divine Principle: http://www.unification.net/dp73/ : >: three blessings : don't know There's a lot you don't know Tilman, for such an avid critic. The ideal of the three blessings comes from Gen 1:28. God commanded humanity to (1) be fruitful i.e. gain maturity spiritually and phyically, (2) multiply and fill the earth, ie, have a family and multiply children of goodness, (3) take dominion over nature ie. become the Lords of creation. This is the fulfilment of God's blessings to His children. He gave the same blessings to Noah. : >: True Parents : Moon and his current wife The ideal of the Messiah and his bride who bring salvation to all humanity. : >: Unification Theological Seminary : A vacation in a Moonification camp The only UC seminary in the USA. : >: Washington Times : A small right-winged paper, sadly read by some republicans. A possible : cause for Alzheimer. The most important newspaper in Washington DC and a favorite of Rush Limbaugh, Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy and Ronald Reagan. : >Maybe you can just do your own homework, and look at the Unification : >Home Page: : > : > http://www.unification.net : Well now you have less words to look up. Now, you could have done some homework too Tilman. You showed your lack of knowledge about your target of criticism. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 21 1996 Subject: Re: Unificationism and money Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <199601042112.WAA29115@utopia.hacktic.nl> <311e4e49.19246379@news.snafu.de> <4fpkvi$sul@zippy.cais.net> <3120d2cc.3507949@news.snafu.de> <4frt05$ija@zippy.cais.net> <312267b7.6757257@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4frt05$ija@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. : Anderson) wrote: : >: >This is rather old news, isn't it Tilman? : > : >: Yes. 10 years old. Reminds me that Andy brings up Steve's : >: deprogrammings, which are 20 years old. : > : >You mean that Steve Hassan has not done any deprogrammings since : >1976? I know rather little about the guy, so I would not know : >whether this is true or not. : Actually he said he did the last in 77. He left in 76. : You do indeed know little about Hassan. One should know its adversaries. I don't consider Steve Hassan my adversary. And he has little of interest to me, other than the fact that he is a constant complainer about the hardships he suffered in the Unification Church which he has since parlayed into a business opportunity. Maybe he should be grateful that the UC has made him a living all these years. : >: Using an "old" argument is IMO only a problem if the person has changed. : >: For example, Steve Hassan has stopped to do "involuntaries". Rick Ross : >: was a jewel thief and has never done a crime again. : > : >Fair enough. I did not know that Rick Ross was a jewel thief. : And I thought you were such a fan of the "CAN reform group" ! They often : mention this, but take care not to mention the date, or that he was : never convicted of a crime after it. Not really a fan. I saw their web page, thought some of their material was interesting and posted it, no more, no less. : Tilman Hausherr Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 21 1996 Subject: Re: The Holy Wine Ceremony Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <31278e99.18173309@news.snafu.de> <4g8f9m$c7r@zippy.cais.net> <312a2927.406994@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4g8f9m$c7r@zippy.cais.net>, damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) : wrote: : >Tilman made a query about the Holy Wine Ceremony. I did a search, : >which I have yet to automate on the web page, but which I can do : This would be an excellent idea, both for the believers and the critics. Yes. I thought of that when I first set up the Web page. It is just a matter of figuring out how to do it and then doing it. : Another thing would also be great: if you guys make a "dictionary" : where all the terms are explained from your point of view. What you mean is a theological glossary of terms used in Unification Theology. I think that would be useful for all interested in Unification Teachings, whether they intend to learn them, adopt them or critique them. In fact, I have such a glossary compiled by Dr. Thomas Cromwell, author of the book "Essentials of the Unification Principle". It also has some interesting insights of the Unificationist view of Islam. Since the glossary is 15 pages long and my scanner is not working due to my SCSI card having died, then I will have to wait until I get my scanner back online, and then I can provide this. If I forget, please remind me. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com
Feb 21 1996 Subject: Re: Moon brainwashes and cuts people off from their families Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <311f842d.4282007@news.snafu.de> <4fovfp$nkp@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <4g3sur$hb0@cpcug.org> <4gbpjg$qi2@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> <312a1d53.3122651@news.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : In <4gbpjg$qi2@usenet.kornet.nm.kr>, sgtimes@soback.kornet.nm.kr (SeKeo : (kornet)) wrote: : >Tilman continues to attack the Unification Church for separating : >families when : >in fact the Unification Church is doing a great deal to *reverse*the : >break down in the family in industrialized countries, including Germany and : >the United States. This has been explained to Tilman, but he doesn't want : >to consider the evidence. So, I encouraged him to examine his : >own relationship : >to his family. : I think you are confusing family in the general world, and family in the : Moon world ("true family"). When the Moon organisation gets a person to : separate from his biological family, to join the Moon family while : completely breaking links to his past world, then it is sad for the : "former" family. The Unification Church does NOT encourage poeple to break ties with their biological family. Of course, it is quite possible that people will feel more affinity for their adopted family of faith than for their natural birth family, particularly if that family was not so pleasant, but Rev. Moon has even in recent years asked members to go back to live in their home towns and rebuild the relationships with their families. Have you heard of Rev. Moon's teaching on Home Church, Tilman? That is a whole area of his teaching that I have not even touched in my Web presentation. And I agree with Tim that Rev. Moon has been one of the main proponents of the family and a life of faith and virtue in the midst of a prevailing environment of cultural decay and decadence. He has been speaking this message in America since 1971, 25 years now. The tide is turning, the people in the developed world are coming to question the fruits of the sexual revolution, feminism, homosexuality and sexual freedom and rediscovering the profound and sacred value of the family. A sign of this is the resurgence of conservatism, both in America and Europe. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home +1-202-267-9403 Work damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian, Hungarian See daily articles on alt.religion.unification, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts your name" to listserv@garcia.com Send "subscribe world-scripture your name" to listserv@garcia.com