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Unificationism on the Internet - Volume 11


23:04 Oct 14, 1995

Subject: Re: Steve Hassan - Professional bigot
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Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote:
: laszlozw@ix.netcom.com (Laszlo Weress ) wrote:
: >>
: >>How many years have you studies Divine Principle? How much money have you
: >>spent? What is the Divine Principle?
: >
: >Cost about the same as a bible study.  Or any other study.  The Divine Principle
: >reflects the teaching of Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

: As usual, you have not answered the question.

: How much money have you spent / donated ? How much time have you worked
: without pay ?

: (This question is good for *any* cultie, not only the ones with Moon)

Many Christian churches have members working voluntarily and tithing
10 per cent of their income. This is nothing unusual. I tithe somewhat
more than 10 per cent of my income, which is way above the median
income, and I do a great deal of pro-bono work for the church.

: Tilman

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23:21 Oct 14, 1995 Subject: Re: Steve Hassan - Professional bigot Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology Followup-To: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology References: <44aema$mcm$2@mhafm.production.compuserve.com> <44b7b7$rmf@zippy.cais.net> <812330562.27121@tilman.berlin.snafu.de> <453vtn$qci@zippy.cais.net> <813018543.7894@tilman.berlin.snafu.de> <4557v4$no@zippy.cais.net> <4560q9$6f@unlisys.unlisys.net> <45c706$p0k@unlisys.unlisys.net> <813364374.21120@tilman.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : >> Nice try to be funny. You didn't get into medicine by deception. You : >> went there by your own will. : >> : >> It's different in a cult. That's the reason why no one of the culties : >> has answered my questions how they got in. The answer: by deception. : >> They were not told: This is the unification church, come with us for a : >> free presentation. : >No, I knew when I went to the first workshop that I was going to hear the : >religious and ethical principles of a group of people that were actively : >doing volunteer work. Within 24 hours, I knew that it was Rev. Moon's : >teachings. That is clear enough and direct enough for me. If it is not for : >you then that is your problem. I can also say that I have never brought : >anyone to hear Divine Principle that did not know at first that it was the : >Unification Church. : Others obviously have used "heavenly deception". See the other : postings. Maybe you are the exception. I met a member of the Unification Church first in Paris, France in 1977, while I was working for IBM there. I asked her about the group she represented and she told me of the affiliation to Rev. Moon. *I* was the one who pressed her to tell me about it and invited myself over to hear what they had to say. She was surprised that I actually came. I was very clear about the association with Rev. Moon from the beginning. I came over almost every day after work, and I studied the Divine Principle first in French. Within three weeks, I joined, of my own free will. : Actually, I was not even a fast one. People can finish it in 4 years, : I needed 5 1/2 because I had a part-time job. Other people needed much : more. But we are not talking about my successes, we are talking about : mind control. : >You are only reinforcing my image of you as a loser. : If you feel better with it, fine. Listen Tilman, you are not a victim of any cult, YOU are responsible for your own choices. : Most healthy and awake people would reject DP as the work of : yet another self-proclaimed messiah. But get the same people into the : cult with deception, regularly not enough sleep, a tough schedule, and : you will see that you get more success. Most people DO REJECT IT! It is just that we keep trying that we get members. :-) : I have said that sleep deprivation is not done at the beginning. This : gets done gradually. It would be silly to submit the subjects to : the full programme from the start. At the beginning, everyone is : incredibly friendly, caring, etc. So the people come back. I have nobody cracking the whip over me, I live in my own home, yet I frequently sleep 2 to 4 hours in night, though not every night. That is because I am a busy man with many things to do, and I find that I can get a lot of work done at night. Am I a victim of cult sleep deprivation? Who is the cult in this case? Margaret Thatcher of England is known to sleep 4 hours per day. People who can control their own bodies not to sleep so much have a lot more hours in which to be productive. It is a matter of self-discipline. It is worth learning how to do. ;-) : What about a guy who says: "Hey, I prefer not to study for a few days, : neither do I want to annoy people at airports. I just hang around and : sleep a bit and read a real book, and I'll read DP when I feel like : it." What will his supervisor say ? He can go and volunteer for another mission. : >As for your schedule, well that is not a bad schedule. Once again it is : >voluntary, you can walk away from it anytime. The fact that YOU think : >that that is hard work only shows how lazy you are. : It also shows the contempt you have for people who want to go at their : own pace. I don't know who you are talking to, but I don't like to call others lazy who do not match what I have achieved. However, the ant gets more done than the grasshopper. : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
20:50 Oct 16, 1995 Subject: Re: The Battle Between God and Satan Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic Followup-To: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.messianic References: <45u5au$mln@news.duke.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: Jim Johnston (johnstonj@mail01.adm.duke.edu) wrote: : There is NO battle between God and satan in the sense that you mean. Why : would God the creator have any difficulty with a created fallen angel. God is perfect, but man is not. It is humanity who wavers between God and Satan. God's work of salvation requires humanity to turn to God in repentance, though we are constantly thrown off course by Satan. : Satan is allowed to exist for the time being as part of God's patient : plan to give all MEN an opportunity to repent and come to Him. And by : the way, WHERE is the Lord Jesus Christ in all your religious sounding : rhetoric? I smell a wolf in sheeps clothing. The Lord Jesus Christ is where he has been for 2000 years, in Paradise. But God's will involves having humanity gain victory over evil, which will happen at the time of the Second Coming. Then, we, together with the Lord will build God's Kingdom on this Earth. : In His grace, : Jim Johnston : Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
20:54 Oct 16, 1995 Subject: Re: Why not just say "Moonie" (was Attack of the 50 foot...) Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology,alt.slack,alt.religion.kibolog Followup-To: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology,alt.slack,alt.religion.kibolog References: <45vb9q$c44@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Distribution: (x) (Unknown) wrote: : As far as most people are concerned,cults of personality like the Moonies : and the Scientologists don't deserve any respect from free thinking, : rational human beings. I've got more respect for the Moonie that used to : play drums in The Who. Didn't Keith Moon of The Who die of a drug overdose? Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
07:13 Oct 18, 1995 From damian@unification.netWed Oct 18 07:16:03 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:14:33 -0400 From: "Damian J. Anderson" Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification, talk.religion.misc, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.islam, talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: World Scripture - Self-Denial and No-Self On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, R.Z. wrote: > Just to say thank you for all your posts. I don't always have the time to > read them all as they are rather long, but I appreciate the wealth of > research and information that goes into them, as well as the ecumenical spirit. > A question: are you planning on making them available in book form? I think > personally that that would be a very useful container for such in-depth > research. > Thanks again, > R.Z. They are available as a book: --- WORLD SCRIPTURE: A COMPARATIVE ANTHOLOGY OF SACRED TEXTS FULL TEXT ASCII ARCHIVE via WWW at http://www.unification.net/ws Hardbound edition published by International Religious Foundation, Paragon House, New York, 1991, 914 pages, $39.95 Paperback edition, 882 pages, $19.95 Paragon House, 370 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10017 1-800-937-5557 Distribution by Continuum Press. Dr. Andrew Wilson, Editor This collection contains over 4000 scriptural passages from 268 sacred texts and 55 oral traditions, and is organized in terms of 164 different themes. This text is the result of a five-year project involving the collaboration of an international team of 40 recognized scholars representing all the major religious traditions of the world. This archive contains the complete text of the original hardbound version. --- As you see, I did not write the book. It took 40 scholars 5 years to write it. I find it to be very valuable and I always appreciate compliments on it, even if it is not my work. My desire is for the World Scripture to elevate and inspire people of all faiths, realizing that we have so much in common, to work together for the good of the whole. I am happy to provide it to the Internet audience. Sincerely yours, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
07:20 Oct 18, 1995 From damian@unification.netWed Oct 18 07:23:04 1995 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Damian J. Anderson" To: s2tonic@aol.com Subject: Re: World Scripture - Meditation On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 s2tonic@aol.com wrote: > I truly enjoy reading your messages. You must spend a lot of time reading > all of this literature. My problem is that I am not focused enough. I've > only staeted to read about buddhism-at this time-Thich Nacht Thich, > Chogyum Trungpa, and Guenther. How do you do it. Are you as focused with > meditation if si I would like to be your student. I also have collected > many books on islam (the religion I was born into but don't practice), > sufism, mysticism, kundilini yoga, and zen. It just seems to be difficult > for me to focus enough for a sitting meditation or complete all these > books. > Any ideas, > E-mail > S2tonic@AOL.COM Thank you for your kind words. I enjoy receiving this kind of message, which is becoming quite frequent. Please keep reading the World Scripture. I'll let you in on a secret: I didn't write the World Scripture! It was produced over a period of 5 years by 40 scholars from the religions of the world. I am merely disseminating it for the Internet audience. You can purchase the book, or find it on the Web. Here is the information: WORLD SCRIPTURE: A COMPARATIVE ANTHOLOGY OF SACRED TEXTS FULL TEXT ASCII ARCHIVE via WWW at http://www.unification.net/ws Hardbound edition published by International Religious Foundation, Paragon House, New York, 1991, 914 pages, $39.95 Paperback edition, 882 pages, $19.95 Paragon House, 370 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10017 1-800-937-5557 Distribution by Continuum Press. Dr. Andrew Wilson, Editor This collection contains over 4000 scriptural passages from 268 sacred texts and 55 oral traditions, and is organized in terms of 164 different themes. This text is the result of a five-year project involving the collaboration of an international team of 40 recognized scholars representing all the major religious traditions of the world. This archive contains the complete text of the original hardbound version. --- Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
18:30 Oct 19, 1995 Subject: Re: Why not just say "Moonie" (was Attack of the 50 foot...) Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult References: <45rvg0$e0u@linet02.li.net> <813798388.1881@tilman.berlin.snafu.de> <46105v$cfg@unlisys.unlisys.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : >Plainly, you have been told that it is not happening, Tilman. Still you : >just go on bleating like a sheep, the same old accusations. Name *current* : >names, *current* evidence : Two words: George Bush. This is nonsense. George Bush recently went on tour in Japan with his wife and Mrs Moon, speaking in 6 cities in Japan, sharing the podium with Mrs. Moon. He knows VERY WELL that the Women's Federation for World Peace is associated with Rev. and Mrs. Moon. I was personally present at at least four of George Bush's speeches at WFWP conferences in Washington DC. His words were "This is the work of God". I heard it with my own ears. Now you can try to prove me wrong, but I could show you videotapes of the event. He is very much in favor of our message to revive the ideal of the two parent family based on God's love, and of reconciliation between nations, which were the major themes of the conferences, in these cases, between Japan and America on the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
18:48 Oct 19, 1995 Subject: Re: Why not just say "Moonie" (was Attack of the 50 foot...) Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology,alt.slack,alt.religion.kibology Followup-To: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.religion.scientology,alt.slack,alt.religion.kibology References: <45rvg0$e0u@linet02.li.net> <45sf5g$is2@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <45su8g$k55@linet02.li.net> <45urgr$m98@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <45vvql$gb9@linet02.li.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Eric B. Richardson (richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote: : As for the master speaks quote, you have to paraphrase and twist even the : very badly translated, out-of-context quote that Hassan has published to : get that meaning from it. Did you ever read the whole speech? Why doesn't : Hassan publish the whole thing? It is not like he doesn't have the money. : If he is afraid, send an email copy of it to Damian, and I bet Damian : would publish it (Note: I have no authority to actually speak for Damian : and this is conjecture on my part). I have access to some of the Master Speaks materials in electronic format but I choose not to publish them on the Web. However, I am bringing two new Home Pages online soon, one in Dutch, the other in Russian. And hey, I may speak more languages than Laszlo, but I would have to check with him first. :-) : # Eric B. Richardson, student, Univ of Minnesota Medical School # : # richa011@maroon.tc.umn.edu # Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
06:37 Oct 23, 1995 On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, tom cole wrote: > Damian, > > Does one have to believe in your beliefs to "be saved" or does > God accept us as we are despite our many different beliefs? > Just one of > many questions I need to ask you. > Thank you for your response. Hi Tom, Sorry for the delay in replying. Please understand that what I am about to say is the Unification viewpoint and you can make of it what you will. You will notice that this is not what most Christian churches teach. Unification Theology teaches that belief alone does not save us. Indeed, the purpose of religion is to teach people to discipline their bodies to overcome self-centered desires and to live for the sake of others. Divine Principle teaches that we grow through three orderly stages of growth, and that just before Adam and Eve entered the perfection stage of their growth, they sinned and fell away from God, and formed a family based on Satan's love and ideas rather than God's. As a result, the mission of religion has been to revive, resurrect, the spiritually dead descendents of the dead Adam and to raise people up to the position where Adam and Eve were prior to the Fall, so that then God can give his blessing to them and they can consummate a God-centered marriage. No marriage up to this point has been truly sanctioned by God. So, religion does not save us. It prepares people to receive the Messiah who comes in the flesh, and he saves us. The salvation offered by Jesus is only of the spirit, not of the body, since he was killed before forming a family and passing on the Blessing to marriage. Therefore, while we are able to live in a realm free of Satan's accusation in our minds and spirit, our body still inherits sin from Adam, and this sin is passed on through our blood lineage. The prophets and sages in Judaism prior to Jesus had the mission of raising up the people to the point where they could receive Jesus in absolute love, faith and obedience. The key one of these in Jesus' day was John the Baptist, but he faltered in his faith in Jesus and finally got himself killed over a side issue involving Herod's adultery with his sister-in-law. If John had become Jesus' primary disciple, the people of Israel would have had a much easier time of believing in and following Jesus. Then they would have gone out into the world, by way of the Roman empire, and evangelized the whole known world, creating a heavenly culture based on Jesus' teachings. This would have been the Kingdom of God on Earth. Jesus would have created a God-centered family, and then based on that, an everlasting Godly Kingship far greater than his ancestor David, as the book of Isaiah foretold. Now, in our age, God has prepared foundations to receive the Messiah in many of the world's religions. The Messiah is called by different names in each tradition, but he is one and the same man who fulfills all of these prophecies. Christians call him Christ, Muslims call him the returning Imam, Buddhists call him Buddha, Jews call him Moshia or Mashiach, Confucianists call him the True Man. This man will draw all people together through revealing a higher expression of truth than has been heretofore known in the history of humanity. This new expression of the truth will bridge the apparent contradictions between religion and science and between religious traditions. People from all religious traditions will come to see that this man raises all religious faiths to a higher level where they can all meet and unify. The central elements that were lost as a result of the Fall were True Love, True Life and True Lineage. Fallen men came to have corrupted greedy overly carnal self-centered love, their lives became violent and angry, bitter and hateful towards one another, and the lineage of humanity was such that people inherited a legacy of evil rather than a legacy of goodness. The central solution to ALL the problems of humanity is the True Family based on True Love. There is not one problem that I can think of that restoration of a true standard of love and ethics in the family could not help and eventually heal. Look at the rampant problems in our world: family breakdown, divorce, racism, child abuse, AIDS, homosexuality and lesbianism, crime, pornography, violence, degradation of the environment, poverty, disease, hunger, degradation of women. Each of these problems would be dramatically ameliorated by the establishment of a loving and ethical family from which a loving and ethical culture could develop. The creation of the model of the True Family and to give God's Blessing on such true families is the primary mission of the Messiah. It represents the restoration of God's ideal which has been lost since the dawn of human history due to our first ancestors' fall away from God. This is the mission of the True Parents. I believe and publicly testify to the fact that Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han Moon, represent the position of True Parents, which is the role of Messiah and his bride, and that they have created the model of the True Family and are giving God's blessing on such families in ever greater numbers. The last such Blessing was held on August 24, 1995 in Seoul, Korea, and 360,000 couples took part, about 35,000 couples locally, and the rest participated by satellite, worldwide. Many couples were already married and came to receive the blessing of True Parents. Others came as engaged couples and asked for the True Parents' blessing on their marriage. Others were single and asked for Rev. Moon to match them with an appropriate spouse, which he did for those who wanted this. A notable difference on this occasion was that members of many religions were blessed this time, not just members of the Unification Church. Catholics, Muslims, Jews, people of many faiths participated. The next Blessing is intended to be 3.6 million couples and there is a possibility that it will be held in Washington DC. The one after that is to be 36 million couples, and so on. God wants to give His Blessing to all humanity. With the emergence of a new culture based on the tradition of true love and true families, we will see dramatic social, economic and politicl changes take place. You saw the demise of communism in what was just months. The change in the secular culture as it adopts God-centered values will be equally dramatic. Western culture is just realizing that it needs to find some kind of "family values", but whose values are we talking about? The vacuum is there, ready to be filled by the concept of the True Family based on God's love. The developments in the last 400 years of human history have been dramatic. We have seen science come from almost total ignorance to the highly developed state that it is in today. Democracy came about in this period. Christianity went through the Reformation, then another great awakening with many religious figures arising founding such trends as Methodism, Quakerism, Pietism. All these trends, both secular and religious, are God's providence to lead us into a position where we can receive the Messiah and create the Heavenly Kingdom on this earth. It is no accident that we are able to talk across the globe in seconds via the Internet. God provided us with these advanced means of communication so that in these days, His message could quickly spread to the whole world. The new Great Awakening is coming. So, to go back to your question, religion does not save us, no religion does. It merely provides us with the knowledge and discipline with which we can prepare ourselves to receive the Messiah when he comes, receive God's blessing and grow to perfect oneness with God and our spouse, incarnating God's love and His word on this earth in our families. God dwells where there is True Love, in the True Family. Does God accept us as we are? Well God loves us because we are His children, yet he always desires us to be better, just like our earthly parents do. When we are truly His equals, having perfected ourselves in love, then God can be totally delighted with us. But he never rejects us, even in our imperfection, even in sin. Those who are in hell were not cast there by God, but by their own voluntary choice to live where God cannot be. Hell is the home of the fornicators and adulterers, the homosexuals and lesbians and other sexual perverts, the murderers and drug addicts, and alcoholics, the thieves, liars and cheats, the greedy and the selfish, and they choose that life and they will live with the consequences of it until they repent and change their life, of their own free will. We only stay in hell as long as we choose to be there. As soon as the prodigal son went home, the father embraced him with tears. The father wanted him back, but only if he CHOSE to come back. God cajoles and persuades, and in the last judgement, he may shock people into repentance by natural calamities, but we must still repent of our own free will. The solution to racism is for all the races to intermarry and become one race of God's children. All barriers can be broken down with True Love, and the age when that will happen is rapidly coming upon us. Thank you for your question, and God bless you, > Tom P.S. Please note that I am taking your name off this reply and posting it publicly. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web Pages in English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
07:07 Oct 23, 1995 Subject: Re: Sun Myung Moon: psychic match-maker Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian References: <46e6hq$crf@unlisys.unlisys.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : To: sci.skeptic,alt.religion.unification : Sun Myung Moon: psychic match-maker : Last time, the Unification Church pretended that 360,000 couples had : attended the blessing, another UC source even said 400,000. (The : "blessing" visually looks like a marriage, but that's not the point : here). Our goal was 360,000, but we exceeded our goal, and the figure was closer to 400,000. There were 200,000 participants in Nigeria alone. : Moon claims to get the right match thru "spiritual" powers. He has an awareness of what makes a good match, and he can assess the character of people by looking at them. You can call this a spiritual power if you want. : Assuming that he had one year to prepare it, this would mean that he : decides 1000 matches a day. Gee, if he can do that, then he is : really a psychic. But as a skeptic I think that either he does it at : random, or he uses a computer, or this is done by helpers. No, he did not match all those couples. Many of them were already married and he was giving his blessing on their marriage. In other cases, the couples chose their own spouse. In yet other cases, such as in Sudan, the government has a ministry of families and they sent 10,000 couples already matched, to the Blessing. Still, Rev. Moon matched a lot of couples. He has 8"x10" photographs of the individuals and he has many set up on easels so that he can walk up and down looking at the photographs. He used to match people in person, until the numbers requesting matching became too large. : So to change Randi's text: : "If Moon assigns partners thru psychic powers, then he's doing it the : hard way". Well, he is the most successful matchmaker in the world that I have ever heard of. He has the record for having arranged and officiated the most weddings in history, so he must be doing something right, whatever his method. : --- Tilman Hausherr : "If Uri Geller bends spoons with divine powers, then he's doing : it the hard way" : (James Randi) Well, we won't put much stock in Randi, famous magician, skeptic and atheist. :-) Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
07:33 Oct 24, 1995 Subject: Re: Name of russian republic searched Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc References: <46grd6$rei@unlisys.unlisys.net> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Tilman Hausherr (tilman@berlin.snafu.de) wrote: : I am searching for the "english" name of a small russian indepandent : republic. Germans write it "Kalmückien". I ask this because the : president of that country has converted to the religion flavour offered : by the self-proclaimed "Unification Church" of Sun Myung Moon; and while : the real churches in Russia are financially struggling, the Moon people : have taken over the religion classes - who knows what's next ? Maybe Boris Yeltsin will see an apparition of Rev. Moon in the sky as Emperor Constantine and proclaim himself a believer too. Stranger things have happened. :-) Maybe George and Barbara Bush will attend the next Blessing ceremony. Maybe North and South Korea will unite, maybe Castro will quit in Cuba and call for a constitutional convention, maybe Marilyn Murray O'Hair will become a believer, maybe there will be peace on earth. Who knows? : Tilman Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com
07:49 Oct 26, 1995 Subject: Re: Name of russian republic searched Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc Followup-To: soc.culture.russian,alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc References: <46grd6$rei@unlisys.unlisys.net> <46ij3b$6ok@zippy.cais.net> <46kab6$1n54@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Distribution: Peter Vorobieff (pv02@lehigh.edu) wrote: : In article <46ij3b$6ok@zippy.cais.net>, : damian@cais2.cais.com (Damian J. Anderson) wrote: : >Maybe Boris Yeltsin will see an apparition of Rev. Moon in the : >sky as Emperor Constantine and proclaim himself a believer too. : His alcoholism has not yet advanced to the stage of delirium : tremens. So the apostles Peter, James and John had the delirium tremens on the Mount of Transfiguration? : Stranger : >things have happened. :-) Maybe George and Barbara Bush will attend : >the next Blessing ceremony. Maybe North and South Korea will unite, : >maybe Castro will quit in Cuba and call for a constitutional convention, : >maybe Marilyn Murray O'Hair will become a believer, maybe there : >will be peace on earth. Who knows? : All of the above is more possible (BTW, you have misspelled Madeleine : Murray O'Hare, schmuck) than the event of Damian Anderson shutting : up for a moment and getting a clue. If my worst sin in this world is getting the spelling to Ms. O'Rabbit's name wrong, then I will be in pretty good shape. :-) By the way, is she dead? I read a news report recently that she had died, but the American Atheists did not want people to make a big deal about praying for her soul. I guess dying and remaining conscious must do terrible things to one's skeptical belief system! ;-) Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net (English) Web Pages in French, Spanish, German, Japanese, Norwegian, Portuguese, Italian See daily articles on talk.religion.misc, or to receive by e-mail, Send "subscribe unification-texts" to unification-texts-request@webcom.com Send "subscribe world-scripture" to world-scripture-request@webcom.com