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Nov 25, 1996 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Mats Andtbacka KTF92 wrote: > In article <578vh8$7pb@news2.cais.com> you wrote: > > [who gives a flying fuck what you wrote?] > > stop spamming. in alt.religion.unification this is no doubt old hat, > preaching to the choir, and uninteresting; in alt.christnet it is > juvenile flamebaiting; and in alt.atheism it is specifically off- > topic unwanted proselytizing. so stay in t.r.m, where maybe some fool > is mad enough to be interested. > -- > "...Everybody got this broken feeling > like their father or their dog just died..." My, my, your totalitarian tendencies are coming out pretty strongly. You cannot shut me up just by threats. Sorry. If there is one topic that the subscribers to alt.atheism talk about endlessly, it is God, so why can't I talk about Him? Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 15 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 27, 1996 On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Luis wrote: > Please, I need information about this, Please just use the Bible to answer > me: > > Why you think a man like Moon and wife have to be "True Parents"? Because God made mankind in His image, male and female. (Gen 1:27). His ideal is to be fulfilled by a couple resembling Him. > Where do you find the "True Parents" doctrine or idea in the Bible? Zech 4:14 talks about the TWO ANOINTED ONES. The anointed one is the Christ. Rev. 11:1-13 talks about the two witnesses, representing the two true olive trees. Rev 19:1-10 talks about the marriage of the Lamb. > What could happen if Mr. Moon dies? He will go to Heaven. > Who will follow him? His wife? and what could happen > if both die? who will be the "Second Advent Lord" The world will follow them. > Also, I need to know where you find that "Jesus brought only > spiritual salvation, another "savior" is needed to fulfill Jesus' > mission. 1 Peter 1:5 says that there is a higher level of salvation to come: "Through your faith, God's power will guard you until the salvation which has been prepared is revealed at the end of time." Paul says in Romans 8:23-27: " ... not only the creation, but we too groan inwardly as we wait for our bodies to be set free. For we must be content to hope that we shall be saved -- our salvation is not in sight, we should not have to be hoping for it if it were, but as I say, we must hope to be saved since we are not saved yet, it is something we must wait for with patience." > Moon is that messiah and "lord of the Second Advent"??? Sorry, the Bible cannot answer that question, as it is only to prepare us for the coming of that day. Once the day comes, then we must recognize the Christ who has come so that he can lead us into all truth. But the Bible does tell you in many ways, to "Pray constantly" (1 Th 5:17), "Stay awake, because you do not know the day when your master is coming" (Matt 24:42), the parable of the Ten Bridesmaids (Matt 25:1-13), and so on. > I am an Ex- Jehovah Wintess, during 24 years I lost a wonderful relation > with our Lord and Saviour Jesus-Christ, but this was corrected this year > that I decided to leave this religous group and follow Jesus. Me and > many other people believe that the membership to some religion or > religious organization is not necesary to be saved, so, I go to an evangelical > church but I dont think it's important to be member of that church to be > saved because I am member of the One-Church of Christ as many > people in different churches belong to that church wich is not a human > church or organiztion, but a church of God in heaven. First and foremost, to be saved you must repent of your sin, and believe in and *obey* Jesus Christ. But to come into the fullness of salvation, where you no longer need a savior, where your body can be freed from sin and where your children can be born without original sin, you need the Blessing of True Parents. > I know some churches or denominations could have problems, or bad > teachers, pastors, elders, etc, but God will not judge us asking: what > is your church? and if you say "this" or "that" they you are "saved" or > "not-saved"... No! God will judge each of us, not in group and will see > how, what, where was our faith... and what kind of fruits were given > by that faith... so, we will be saved by faith and not by works as apostle > Paul teached, and a true faith in the True God and our Lord Jesus. We will be saved by our faith and judged by our works. Refer to Matt 25:31-46. As James said, "Faith is like that; if good works do not go with it, it is quite dead." (James 2:17) and again: "You see now that it is by doing something good, and not only believing, that a man is justified." (James 2:24). > It was hard for me to open my eyes and see that I was really blind and > couldn't leave a religious group like the Watchtower (the organization > that controls, guide, etc to the Jehovah's Witnesses all over the world) > but my research in my own religion at that time (the Jehovah's Witnesses) > make me be sure that their doctrine was not true, and they put Jesus in > a second place... then I started to read more and more the Bible trying to > find answers to my questions and I started to see and left them. > Then I understood too that Jehovah's Witnesses and many other groups > practice what is known as "brain-washing", inside the group you cant > see this "brain-washing" but out of it you could... they make you read > specific books, they tell you that this books are inspired by God or... > not inspired but written by men choosed by God... or that your religion > is the only true religion in the world... or this or that men are the teachers > choosed by God to guide his people... etc etc etc... Some people have dirty brains .... a little washing never hurt. > Jehovah's Wintesses and many other groups like mormons, seventh > day adventists, roman catholics, etc etc would deny they are a sect > or that they practice "brain-washing" or mind-control or relations-control > (whith who could be your friends, how or what you have to do with your > family, etc), but they really practice this as MANY OTHER groups. Now the talk of mind-control, brainwashing and the like is the talk of heathens, not of believers. We believers know that everyone must have their sins washed away and live by faith, doing good to others, living in obedience to the Lord. Otherwise, it is all a sham. > I am reading the mails your are sending me, and I worry if you are just > teaching "another Gospel" than the true Gospel, maybe confusing > people from places where Christian religion is not so known as asiatic > countries. The only true gospel is the gospel of love. Jesus summed it up very succinctly, when asked which are the greatest of the commandments: This one is the first: "Listen, Israel, the Lord our God is the one Lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind and with all your strength." The second is this: "You must love your neighbor as yourself." (Mark 12:29-31). > Really I cant find a relation between your beliefs and the Bible teaching. > If the Unification Church seems it'self as a chirstian church then your must > follow just what the Bible teaches, not what men understand in the bible > or what men teaches that is true or false, no! the only inspired thing we > have in whole earth is just the God's Word The Bible, all other things are > done by man or men and could be good or false... that's why I need to > know your reference in the Bible about the Unification Church teachings. We do our utmost to follow the Gospel of Love that Jesus taught, even to the point of loving our enemies (Matt 6:44). > If you are not able to send me an answer, please exclude me from your > e-mails forum. Okay. > The only true church, the Chuch of Christ is not a church in earth, but a > church in heaven, where many people from different denominations > are, people that love God and God's Word, that accept that Jesus is > his/her Lord and personal Saviour, only Jesus could save us, He is > the Christ, just He an no other. He is the stone in which the Christian > church is founded, not in another man or group of men. The stone which is the Christ comes with a NEW NAME in the last days. (Rev 2:17). > Maybe could be difficult to understand this but if you check the foundation > of your beliefs and the foundation of what is a really christian church in > the main Word of God - infallible - the Bible then you will see what's what > God accepts. You can check what I have said against the scripture. > Please, if you can, answer my questions, and... PLEASE RESEARCH, dont > accept what I say or reject... but research in God's word! As Berean's > done with apostle Paul's writtens... they checked if what Paul wrote was > from God or not... you have to do the same with your beliefs no matter > what other could teach or say to you or show you. I believe in the Living God who answers prayer, and loves all of His children, especially those who suffer in sin, and even those who dwell in Hell. He is like the Father of the prodigal son and will do whatever it takes to restore all humanity to His grace. (2 Pet 3:9). > Thanks, and Goodbye. May God open your eyes and let you see his Wonderful > light and give you eternal life accepting his Son Jesus Christ as the Only > saviour > the One-Christ-Messiah-Lord. I accept Jesus as the Christ, and his mission is now being fulfilled on the Earth by the True Parents, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, and Mrs. Hak Ja Han Moon. > Luis God bless you and fill you always with His love. In the name of our True Parents, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 16 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 27, 1996 Subject: Re: Prove God's existence Newsgroups: a.bsu.religion,alt.atheism,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.bible,alt.christnet.philosophy,alt.christnet.theology,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.unification,talk.atheism,talk.origins,talk.religion.misc, References: <4thocd$18g4@www.univie.ac.at> <32014522.10995930@news.exis.net> <4u15bb$r71@hermes.louisville.edu> <32077a38.6675141@news.exis.net> <32234C02.72F <32974E5E.7B5A@airmail.net> <578ojf$59i@news2.cais.com> <32984C41.4E7E@pilot.infi.net> Organization: Sent via CAIS Internet Distribution: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:23:13 -0500 Jerry (starway@pilot.infi.net) wrote: > Christians feed their poor minds with fears and they want to know the > proof of this source of fear. If Christians preached, everyone would go > to God after death, then there would be no need to seek the truth of > God. However the evil mind of the Christians torture their fellow man > with concepts of an unjust God who gives some men eternal pleasure and > others eternal pain. Such a God has no place in reality. While SOME Christians do say that, the God that Jesus taught about was like the father of the Prodigal Son, who while he let his son go away and waste his fortune, he was waiting for him and ran out to greet him from a long way off when he saw the son coming home. (Luke 15:11-32). St. Peter said: "The Lord is not being slow to carry out his promsies, as anybody else might be called slow; but he is being patient with you all, wanting nobody to be lost, and everybody to be brought to change his ways." (2 Peter 3:9) The prophet Ezekiel said: "As I live -- it is the Lord Yahweh who speaks -- I take pleasure, not in the eath of a wicked man, but in the turning back of a wicked man who changes his ways to win life. Come back, come back from your evil ways. Why are you so anxious to die, House of Israel?" (Ezek 33:11). > > So, the best proof of God's existence is in the lives of Godly men and > > women. > > This only shows that some believers lead lives that > reflect their faith and that other believers do not. It proves nothing. While it is not at all compelling evidence to the intellect, it is most compelling to the heart. > Atheism is the result of the lack of ethics of the Christian God concepts. You misunderstand the teachings of Jesus. > Eternal torture of the innocent is not worthy of a God. I agree with you, but Christianity does not teach eternal punishment. People suffer in the state of Hell until they can be liberated from it. However, Hell is a choice people make, just like the Prodigal Son chose his fate, and was delivered of it when he changed his mind. If Hell were eternal, then God would be a failure. For more ideas on this topic, refer to: http://www.unification.net/ws/theme067.htm Universal Salvation > Thus the Christian God is false.The Jewish God destroys Godsw creation > but the evil Christian God tortures Gods Creation. Such a God is unethical > and non existent. The Jewish God is plausible since in the end higher > man forms from evolved lower man upon the new EArth. No, YOUR CONCEPT of the Christian God is false. I don't believe in that unethical God either. The true God is a God who loves even those who hate Him. > Christianity can never manifest truth. Jesus is the Jewish Prophet of > God's love.He is not available for idol worship. To make Jesus God is > a sin.Christianity stands as a sinful religion with intolerance to all. > It is a shameful and unethical concoction of insane men. I agree that Jesus is a man and not a God. Christianity has lost most of its power since it failed to practice the core teachings of Jesus, such as to love God with all one's heart and soul, to love one's neighbor, to love one's enemy, and so on. > Jerry (Jewish Prophet of an Ethical God) Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 16 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 28, 1996 Subject: Re: DP: The Unification of Language Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology References: <56ue0v$s62@news2.cais.com> <329C4E22.2A19@wlv.ac.uk> <57hvsb$id1@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Sent via CAIS Internet Distribution: On 27 Nov 1996 18:04:59 GMT Libertarius (attila1@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > Linguistic diversity is just one way the process of evolution > works. Parent languages, like Latin, brach out through diversification > and create new languages, like Spanish, Italian, French, etc. You > cannot stop or reverse this process any more than you can stop any > other process of Nature. That "Unificationist" idea is pure nonsense. Languages diverged in the past because of isolation and conflict between peoples. In these days of mass communication, worldwide travel, and the coming days of world peace, I believe that there will be one language by which all of the world will communicate, even if other languages persist. Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 16 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 28, 1996 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:26:50 -0500 From: "Damian J. Anderson" To: UNIFICATION-TEXTS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: News: Bush praises Moon as 'Man of Vision' Bush praises Moon as 'Man of Vision' RT 11/25/96 BUENOS AIRES (Reuter) - The South Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon launched a new Spanish-language newspaper for the whole of Latin America this weekend, with the backing of guest George Bush who praised Moon's respect for editorial independence. The former U.S. president, guest speaker at a banquet late Saturday to launch Moon's new publication "Tiempos del Mundo" (Times of the World), was full of praise for the controversial evangelist's best-known newspaper, the Washington Times, and referred to Moon as "the man with the vision." Bush then travelled with Moon to neighboring Uruguay Sunday to help him inaugurate a seminary in the capital Montevideo to train 4,200 young Japanese women to spread the word of his Church of Unification across Latin America. Moon already owns a major newspaper, bank and hotel in Uruguay and is buying up land in the Argentine province of Corrientes, where he plans to construct what his followers call "ideal cities". "I want to salute Reverend Moon who is the founder of the Washington Times and of the new paper here," said Bush, who was reported by the Washington Post to have been paid $100,000 for his Buenos Aires appearance. "A lot of my friends in South America don't know about the Washington Times but it is an independent voice," said Bush. "The editors of the Washington Times tell me that never once has the man with the vision interfered with the running of the paper, a paper that in my view brings sanity to Washington DC." "I am convinced that Tiempos del Mundo is going to do the same thing," said Bush, who managed to avoid being photographed with the 76-year-old South Korean evangelist during his whole stay in Buenos Aires. Bush was staying at Argentine President Carlos Menem's official Olivos residence, and there was a place reserved at the top table for Menem. But Menem, who met Moon secretly last year, snubbed him this time on the advice of foreign policy and religious policy aides. Argentina's influential Catholic Church takes issue with Moon's portrayl of himself as an incarnation of God fulfilling the mission of Christ. Critics say he brainwashes the vulnerable into joining him and some countries, such as Germany, consider him a threat to public order and refuse him an entry visa. In his speech at the Tiempos del Mundo launch, Moon made a bitter reference to the 11 months he spend in prison in the United States for tax evasion, saying he had "overcome significant persecution" in that country. Before his speech titled "In Search of the Origin of the Universe," Moon promised his new paper would "provide the most edifying reports in every aspect...promoting harmony and reverting the tendency towards disbelief." The first edition showed a tendency to optimistic headlines, its cover showing an elated President Bill Clinton over the headline "The North Moves Closer to the South." Its Texan editor, Larry Moffitt, told Reuters the newspaper would come out on Sundays at first "but go daily very quickly" via satellite transmissions to editorial centers in 10 countries, including Argentina. "Within a year we hope to be in every country in the hemisphere," Moffitt said. His circulation goals are ambitious: "There are 300 million Spanish speaking people in the hemisphere. That sounds like a good number." Meanwhile Moon was in full flow, asking his 700 guest such penetrating questions as "why do sexual organs exist?" and "when you defecate, do you wear a gas mask?" -- Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 16 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 29, 1996 Subject: Hamm/HRobin153 does not represent Unificationist positions Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology References: <19961127014900.UAA19651@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: Sent via CAIS Internet Distribution: On 27 Nov 1996 01:47:25 GMT hrobin153@aol.com wrote: > << point out thecorruption because we have our own royal family > the true royal family.>>> > if the true royal family ever did things that undermined the > dignity of mankind, i'd be throwing stones at them too. Did you ever hear : "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone?" What gives you the right to throw stones? This is the mission of the Messiah: "He has sent me to bring good news to the poor, to bind up hearts that are broken; to proclaim liberty to captives, freedom to those in prison; to proclaim a year of favor from Yahweh, a day of vengeance for our God." (Isaiah 61:1-2) If you are not doing the Mission of the Messiah, you are doing the other guy's work. So, please, cut out the stone throwing. > << see it (rightor wrong is not the point) with a little more > tact and respect.>>> > i know that i could use a little more tact when discussing > such things, but i'm trying to rouse a little rabble here. I agree with Rachel. You can rouse people's interest without being offensive. > << they can't receiveit and won't change. Remember we have a > responsibility to teach otherswith a parent's heart. > (Please)ITPL Rachel>>> > i really sympathize with george; his situation is hellatious > and he doesn't know what to do about it--it's a terrible > position to be in. but whether he has fallen nature or not > is not my concern; that is, i'm not pointing out his fallen > nature. i thought i was discussing why brits could not > recognize totalitarianism when they saw it. You are making an unjustified and sweeping generalization about a whole nation, and I take exception to it. I was born in Britain, and I am quite aware of the nature of totalitarianism, despite your ludicrous assertions to the contrary. And if George is in a difficult position, do you think you help anything whatsoever by mocking the actions of his nation, over which he has little or no control? > i was not saying that george could not recognize > totalitarianism because he is a totalitarian. i was saying > that george could not recognize totalitarianism because his > culture celebrates totalitarians. but if the shoe fits; > wear it. > hamm You had better quit while you are ahead. If the shoe is in your mouth, take it out. > my brothers, father's not naked; he be clothed in the glory of God And what the heck does that mean? You do the cause of Unificationism no favors with your oddball ideas, and the UFO-speak which has prevailed in so much of your writing. I am sorry, but enough is enough. Your brother in True Parents, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 17 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Nov 30, 1996 Subject: Re: DP: Universal Prime Energy Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology References: <1996113013460573003@zetnet.co.uk> Organization: Sent via CAIS Internet Distribution: On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:46:05 GMT Rajinder Nijjhar (gnostic@zetnet.co.uk) wrote: > > 2.1 Universal Prime Energy > > God, the Creator of all things, > Wrong. God did not create anything that you can see with these two > naked eyes but what you can perceive with the third eye of > rationality is of God and it is real. > Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jat, M.Sc. > Retired Senior Lecturer in Metallurgy, > Mussallman Pir Nanak Shah, INSHALLAH. > gnostic@zetnet.co.uk Actually, God created all that exists. Without Him, nothing would exist. He creates and sustains the existence of every being, the invisible and the visible, the spiritual and the physical. And if you want to have a contest of degrees, how about this: ( :-) ) BA in Mathematics, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England (1980) MA in Mathematics, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England (1983) Diploma in Religious Education, Unification Theological Seminary, Barrytown, NY (1984) MS in Computer Science, George Washington University, Washington DC (1988) Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 17 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Dec 7, 1996 Damian's back online - apologies for the outage Hello all, Last Sunday morning, while I was on my computer before going to church, I was printing out a newspaper article from South America that someone had sent me, and printing the color photographs. I believe that my computer was hit with a Word document macro virus, as my C drive was totally trashed and I lost the boot sector and everything on it. I had not heard of such viruses before. All I knew about were the boot sector viruses and memory viruses, and the Internet worm, but never one like this. A PC expert assured me that such things do exist, and encouraged me to keep an up-to-date version of McAfee anti-virus software, or something similar to protect against such attack. This kind of virus infection can come through attached Word documents in e-mail and Internet posts. So, my faithful readers have been sending me e-mail and I have been unable to respond. I have checked in from work, but did not have the time to respond until today as I have a new computer and will make great efforts to see that such an outage does not happen again. Those on my mailing lists will see a resumption of mailings from today, and they will also see an improvement in the Unification Home Page as I am able to use decent tools to do the job. My thanks go to all those who have supported this Unificationist Internet ministry with their kind words, and with their time and effort. I have not solicited financial contributions as I do not want to be beholden to anyone and lose my independence, but any free-will offering with no strings attached will be gratefully appreciated to cover the costs of hardware and Internet services. My goal is to enlighten the world with the new expression of truth and love that has come to us through our True Parents, Rev. and Mrs. Sun Myung Moon. In their holy names, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 17 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Dec 7, 1996 On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, GR wrote: > Hello Damian, > > from time to time I read the different theological subjects you have > posted with others in different issues, regardless of all the knowledge > and understanding we have borrowed from other sources and learned > through the years, I have a BIG question and that is, is everyone happy? > Does anyone feel happy in their life? Because of what you know and do in > life are you RELLY HAPPY > > And if the answer in not yet or no could you express why? > And if the answer is yes could you express how you do to find that > happiness or how it came about? And are you still feeling that way > everyday when you wake up? (PS: After you did what? ......Has made you > feel better or happier?) > > Please don't borrow theories from other sources to explain it, but speak > exactly what you feel and how it feels inside yourself all the time, or > sometimes. > > I believe no matter what I do ultimately this is one of the big goal in > my life and a question I often asked, and still I ask to myself. > > Sorry Damian you are kind the host but of course this is a question for > everyone. Please try your best, I had this question for a long time. > The reality is we all speak to ourselves whether consciously or > unconsciously, and try to deal with this issue. > > Thanks, GR Hello GR, I would be dishonest if I were to say that I am happy all the time. However, I am not unhappy all the time either. I experience rather intensely the struggle to overcome myself and live for God and for others. The happiest times for me are when I am victorious in this struggle, no matter what is going on around me. In recent years I have had experiences that have caused me immense grief, yet I always took strength from Father's example. He came to teach me, through my prayer, and my study of his words that God is a suffering God. He feels the grief of every human being as His own. How then can I feel sorry for myself, no matter what is happening in my life? When I am in harmony with God, when I have dominion over my flesh, and I am not sinning, when I am able to pray from the heart relating directly with the Divine Infinite Being who sustains me, then I am filled with awe, love and joy, and I am able to love those around me. When I wrestle with myself, when I fall into laziness and carnality, then I feel immense strife, shame, guilt, and inner turmoil. Then I am horrible to live with, even for myself. So, where the spirit of the Lord is, there is love, joy, peace, serenity, faith, freedom and happiness in abundance. And when the spirit of the flesh is there, then there is the spirit of anxiety, faithlessness, fear, doubt, suspicion, and all the things that are not of God. By the fruits of these two experiences, I know which one I prefer, even if it is harder to follow God's way, the results far outweigh the investment, and I do not stray in the dark realm for long. In fact, I usually stumble in there carelessly, and when I realize that I have strayed, I am now sufficiently aware of the spiritual realities to correct myself very quickly. So, in summary, my formula for happiness is to live a pure life, to love and serve God and the people around me, to read God's word and pray every day, and then all is right with the world and I am happy, even in the pits of hell, and personal hardship. Sincerely, In our True Parents' Names, Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 17 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html
Dec 7, 1996 Subject: Re: The Moonie FAQ Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology References: <32ac3291.47905115@news.snafu.de> <19961204103101.FAA28003@ladder01.news.aol.com> <587186$168@lana.zippo.com> Organization: Sent via CAIS Internet Distribution: On 5 Dec 1996 09:37:10 -0800 EdPoor wrote: > Gunnard, lay off. Tilman deserves better treatment > than that. Please speak to the idea, not the person. Gunnard does tend to lay it on rather thick. I choose to ignore Tilman most of the time, but I certainly don't want Unificationists making him into a martyr by giving him a hard time. If you want him to treat us better, perhaps we should model the behavior that we expect. Treat others as we would have them treat us, according to the Golden Rule. If Father can treat Kim Il Sung with love and respect, then we can do the same for Tilman, no matter how much we may disagree with his ideas, he is still a child of God. This brings to mind one thing I heard Father said to Mother when he was going through the court case. She was upset with the prosecutor Martin Flumenbaum, and Father said to her that she should love him, Flumenbaum, more than the baby in her womb. That certainly gives me cause to reflect. > It's because we have not created a FAQ of our own that > Tilman can so easily fill the void. Not everyone is > equipped to browse over to Damian's home page. I agree, that Unificationists on here could make a pro-Unificationist FAQ rather than deriding and belittling the author of the FAQ for the loyal opposition. > Tilman freely admits, "This FAQ is cynical, sarcastic > and contains humour." We're not dealing with CAN here: > this is a young man who is honest, if misinformed. > Actually Tilman has done me a favor -- something Damian > Anderson could not or would not do -- get me access to > this Internet newsgroup. His homepage (which I CAN access) > contained the following link: > http://drn.zippo.com > from which I was able to find a feed into ARU. You > see, I have a web browser but not news access. So I access > this newsgroup via the WWW. Yes, I think Tilman can be given credit here where credit is due. In fact Ed, I found a web page that is continually updated giving the addresses of all the free Usenet News servers that they know of. I don't have the URL handy. I could have given Ed access to one of the many news servers that I administer, but I am not able to give out my company's services at no charge, no matter how much I may desire to personally. > If someone can do a favor like that, he has hope. Please > give him that hope: don't abuse him in print. At least, > think of the example you're setting: people learn about > our character from the way we communicate with others. > Hope I haven't hurt your feelings. Even if he cannot do anyone a favor, it does not do you or anyone else any good to abuse him. This is not the example any of us want to set. I like your attitude Ed. Gunnard, well, let's say there's room for improvement. Tilman too. :-) I'll let others be my judge. > Ed Poor -- Damian Anderson +1-301-921-0082 Home damian@unification.net Unification Home Page http://www.unification.net Web pages on Unificationist ideas and activities in 17 languages and growing. See articles on news:alt.religion.unification. Subscribe to mailings: http://www.unification.net/forms/subscribe.html